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**Gamma** · July 6, 2009, 10:19 AM

thanks historian..the interesting thing to\mee is the dearth of medals in the men's 400 post mckenley et al....only ONE deggeh deggeh medal yet we consistently medalled in the 4x4 relays...

**Historian** · July 6, 2009, 10:51 AM

Good Point

Originally posted by Gamma View Post

thanks historian..the interesting thing to\mee is the dearth of medals in the men's 400 post mckenley et al....only ONE deggeh deggeh medal yet we consistently medalled in the 4x4 relays...

Excellent observation, Gamma. This 400-meter issue among our men is something that I’ve pondered on for several years. I mean, how ironic it is, as I mentioned here on this forum recently, that the event in which Jamaica shocked the world some 50 years ago is the event in which our men have been struggling in the post-1950’s era!!

Our performance in the mile relay, despite winning a couple of Olympic Games medals (three, to be exact) in the decades following our awesome performance in 1952 is also discouraging. So, this modern era finds us talking in hushed tones about the likely performance and results of the USA, Great Britain and the northern Caribbean minnows the Bahamas! (By the way, weren’t it not for a certain Mr. Michael Blackwood, we most likely would have reached the finals and won a silver in 2004 in Athens as well, thereby adding to our Olympic tally.)

But our results in the 400-meter event at both the Olympic Games and the IAAF World Championships are dismal at best. As in the case of the Olympic Games (1948 and 1952), we started out at the first IAAF World Championships (1983) with a bang, thanks to Bert Cameron!

How, then, is it that a nation that, in the 1990s, produced incredible relay guys like Roxbert Martin, Davian Clarke, Greg Haughton, etc. is, in 2009, struggling to put together a team that will achieve better results than last year’s last-place finish?

In a futire post, I will be comparing the performances and results of our women against our men during the 17-year period period 1991 (that is, starting with the IAAF Championships in Tokyo) to 2008 (the Beijing Olympic Games).

**Gamma** · July 6, 2009, 11:13 AM

In a futire post, I will be comparing the performances and results of our women against our men during the 17-year period period 1991 (that is, starting with the IAAF Championships in Tokyo) to 2008 (the Beijing Olympic Games).

should that be "future" or "futile"?

**Historian** · July 6, 2009, 11:21 AM

Typo (LOL)

Originally posted by Gamma View Post

In a futire post, I will be comparing the performances and results of our women against our men during the 17-year period period 1991 (that is, starting with the IAAF Championships in Tokyo) to 2008 (the Beijing Olympic Games).

should that be "future" or "futile"?

I like your sense of humour, Gamma

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It was a typo, as what I meant to type was “future” post. But this matter of our women versus our men in the pre-Asafa Powell era is something that has always fascinated me.

By the way, and on a related note, do you realize that at the Carifta Games level, the last time Jamaica’s Under-20 women lost a 4x400-meter relay was in 1984?! Since 1985 (24 years ago) we have won this event every time (including winning by more than 100 meters on more than one occasion)!!

In the case of the Under-17 girls, this event was added to the Carifta Games schedule in 2002, and I cannot recall us failing to win the gold here as well.

**Exile** · July 6, 2009, 01:04 PM

Drug use clouded a lot of those results...the eastern block with thewomen and the US with men.

**Stonigut** · July 7, 2009, 02:10 AM

Juliet Cuthbert and Grace Jackson was really tearing it up, is a shame how we quickly forget how good they were, those times are sizzling hot!! If we had a level playing field in those days we would have some gold medals there.

**Stonigut** · July 7, 2009, 02:31 AM

BTW Calabar leading the male medal count with 5, Camperdown with 3 KC and William Knibb with 2, KT,Jago,Holmwood all with one. Cannot remember where Beckford, McFarlane or Winthrop went to school.

That is strictly individual medals, relay medals too messy to count, and dilutes the achievement of the individual effort.

**TDowl** · July 7, 2009, 03:24 PM

Historian, Wint also won the Silver in 1952, see Talawah.

**TDowl** · July 7, 2009, 03:29 PM

McFarlane - Ocho Rios HS
Winthrop - Steths

**TDowl** · July 7, 2009, 03:30 PM

Lennox Miller Bronze

**Historian** · July 7, 2009, 05:03 PM

Thanks, TDowl

Originally posted by TDowl View Post

Historian, Wint also won the Silver in 1952, see Talawah.

Originally posted by TDowl

Lennox Miller Bronze

Thank you, TDowl. What happened is that I had been keeping my little private record over the years, and so completely forgot to double check what I genuinely regard as the Bible of Jamaica’s track and field, Talawah!!

Thanks for the reminder, boss

, it’s truly appreciated. I will update my little “record book” here accordingly.

**Karl** · July 7, 2009, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by TDowl View Post

Historian, Wint also won the Silver in 1952, see Talawah.

800M

**Karl** · July 7, 2009, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by TDowl View Post

Lennox Miller Bronze

Yup!
...he did win bronze.

Off the top of my head...why is it I think Michael Fray won a bronze somewhere...(100M or 200M?)

**Islandman** · July 8, 2009, 10:28 AM

RE Fray, I don't think so. We only won the 100m silver in 1968 and no medals in 1964 (a few fourth places)

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