Concacaf's 3rd spot....

[Karl]

Good point but realistically we cannot challenge Mexico or the US for 1st or second. We are just not on their level yet. I'm not saying we should lay down and get murdered by them but we have alot of work to do to get to their level. Maybe in the future we can match them in every dept but as of right now i don't think we can eclipse them.

This is the reason why I mentioned that the 3rd spot could be ours this cycle because the lock Costa Rica had on it is gone. They are rebuilding and will struggle.

The USA players and the Mexican players...like our REGGAE BOYZ put their boots on one foot at a time!

They like us can be beat!
Who better to do so in the qualifiers than our REGGAE BOYZ?!

[Warlord]

yes..but they have a prestigious tournament trophy to their name....question.....which would you rather to always qualify for the WC or to win it once?

Gamma,

I see your point and yes they go down in UEFA history books but most football enthusiasts will only remember that about Greece.

As far as your question goes, I would rather win the WC at least once in my lifetime. But this is the WC we're talking bout here. 32 of the best teams in the world.

[Warlord]

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I could point you to so many games where the stronger team on paper should have prevailed, but they did not. Hey, the last week we say Russia losing to Israel and England to Croatia. If we followed your way, England would have been in the Euro next year.

That's a good point and I'll address it. England club teams has issues with its young players today not getting better at the youth level because teams are investing heavily in foreign players more. That is a detriment to the future of their football aspirations if it continues. Italy, Spain, France don't have that problem.

Mexico have some good players, not even counting Dos Santos and those other young ones. We can still beat them however with good coaching.

In other words we have to play the counter-attacking game against them because god forbid you and I know if we play an open game we'll expose our deficiencies which means we'll concede heavily.

I also do not think #1 and 2 positions are guaranted to any team. They will have to work for it and as much as they can be considered fovorites, the game is still played on the field.

I disagree here, and history over the last decade or so further proves my point. It will not be a walk in the park but I can almost guarantee you that the US or Mexico will field their strongest squads until the hex begins.

[Warlord]

[quote=Baddaz;64710]

[QUOTE]

what does that have to do with this upcoming campaign...

It has alot to do with the campaign. We've never bebaten them and the closest and best chance we got last cycle, it was lost.

isn't realistic to who? bredrin, yuh affi leggo the defeatist mentality

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No-one us having a defeatist mentally, but you have to examine all the factors involved. The US is a much stronger defensive team than us and they're harder to break down. Defensively we have issues and don't have proper holding midfielders. That in itself puts more pressure on our back 4.

[Warlord]

[quote=Shatta;65281]aaaaaaah bwoy when are they going to Believe in themselves?

okay question

How long and how many games does it take to implement a system of play to players who are familiar with each other style of play but play different system for their clubs?

Not sure about how long it takes, but the US and other Euro nations suffer the same consequences with players that don't play in their domestic leagues, so this is a not an excuse.

How hard is it for these players to adjust to a new system of player and believe in it?

Again this is relative to the player or players involved. It isn't unheard of international football today.

Links to experts on the subject or prior discussions on this topic in any forums would be helpful

Why would it be helpful to you or me. Do we play for the NT? That's the coaches, trainer's job to address that with the players.

Here is one I found so let us all decide to work on this problem? Is that cool?

Why do we (you and me) have to work on the problem. I don't get it? We're not the players or coaching staff. Its their job. The purpose of this board is discuss/have opinions on what can make us better and improve in Concacaf in the long run.

Let us seek the TRUTH. Any objections to that?

Always an advocate for it. It starts with a foundation which we don't currently have, yet we think we have the finished product that can easily beat teams who already have that foundation.

[Warlord]

aaaaaaah bwoy when are they going to Believe in themselves?

okay question

How long and how many games does it take to implement a system of play to players who are familiar with each other style of play but play different system for their clubs?

How hard is it for these players to adjust to a new system of player and believe in it?

Links to experts on the subject or prior discussions on this topic in any forums would be helpful

any instructional soccer video on youtube would be welcome.

Here is one I found so let us all decide to work on this problem? Is that cool?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIpyz...eature=related

Let us seek the TRUTH. Any objections to that?

Chief Servant to the streets

respect

I see you haven't addressed any of my questions in my previous post? Why is that?

[Shatta]

aaaaaaah bwoy when are they going to Believe in themselves?

okay question

How long and how many games does it take to implement a system of play to players who are familiar with each other style of play but play different system for their clubs?

How hard is it for these players to adjust to a new system of player and believe in it?

Links to experts on the subject or prior discussions on this topic in any forums would be helpful

any instructional soccer video on youtube would be welcome.

Here is one I found so let us all decide to work on this problem? Is that cool?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIpyz...eature=related

Let us seek the TRUTH. Any objections to that?

Chief Servant to the streets

respect

[Warlord]

The 3rd spot for concacaf is up for grabs. Only mexico and USA is guarantee a spot in 2010.

Jamaica is going to need excessive discipline as a team in order to succeed.

Nobody is mentioning Canada and trinidad. Do not be fooled by our 2 wins over under 21 players recently. Guadeloupe would be a good test for us.

We need two wingbacks who can played on the left and the right. They must be tall,strong,fast , skilful and hard tackling. They must be able to play on the right and the left. We also need a hard tackling midfielder ,fast,skilfull,good aerially, good with both feet and a work horse. We should recruit the midfielder who was with Marlon King at Watford when they were in the premiership.

Our wingbacks options is our weakest area and until we fix that we not even going to the airport for world cup 2010.

My team so far.

Goalkeeper - Ricketts,Mccallum,Kerr

Centre half - Shavar Thomas, Claude Davis and Oneil Thompson

Left defender - ?
Right Defender -Marshall - closest - still looking.

Midfielders -
Bibi,Fabian Taylor ,Campbell ryce - Still looking for a midfield general.

Strikers - Luton Shelton and Marlon King - Also looking for a stronger left sided striker.

Specialist players in time of need - Pepe, Nosworthy,Fuller,Jermain Hue,Onandi Lowe and Sean frazer.

No Mercy,

At least you see the exact things I see as far as the USA and Mexico being guaranteed a spot in SA.

And yea the 3rd spot is a battle that the boyz can win because the lock the Costa Ricans had on it is over.

And why is there no mention of Gardner? Don't you think he's a solid defender (wing back) that can contribute to our attack. He should be in the team.

He still has alot to offer to this team.

[Warlord]

one game at a time. lets worry about bvi or bahamas before we jump to the hex.

I've said this before. If we cannot beat Bahamas or BVI then we do not belong in the WC.

They have no football pedigree like we do. What are we gonna do next...worry about beating St Maarten or Aruba if we were drawn against them?

[Warlord]

[quote=Shatta;65089]

As a man thinketh so is he and mi a watch the one Warlord round here

Anyman who automatically puts himself in an inferior position a move suspect to me


Its not a matter of putting an inferior spin on the team. Im just more realistic than most of you people that cannot see the reality. You are somehow trying to convince me that we are on the level of teams like USA and Mexico when they've qualified for more consecutive WCs than we have. So if we're that good, then we haven't we done the same?

Do you not see how flawed your theory is? If we were on their level we surely wouldn't have one appearance now would we? I'm not saying that we can't get there one day, but right now we are no where near either nation in terms of being a serious favourite everytime. Its a work in progress.

Here's the facts, the US have come along way in terms of their football development since they hosted the WC in 94. They've invested heavily in their football programs at all levels and they also have the MLS which has produced some of their NT players. You have to give them some credit, because we have been somewhat stagnant since we went to France in 98.

Until we can invest and develop our young players and football programs consistently albeit in a more professional manner...ie, better coaching, dieting, nutrition, conditioning etc we will have problems. And why is it none of our NPL teams have never won a Concacaf club title ever? What ever happenned to us taking that extra step forward after '98?

If you look at the truth as being "inferior" then you are the onre who's "suspect".

And if you think we've always been 'that good' by all means explain why they've qualified for consecutive WCs since then and why we have never beaten them in WC qualifying ever.

[Gamma]

yes..but they have a prestigious tournament trophy to their name....question.....which would you rather to always qualify for the WC or to win it once?

[Warlord]

that is true...but the cups have their name on it and nothing or no-one can change that...they won a tournament, the EUROS with teams like italy, spain, france, germany, holland and portugal ...not a one off match.

Yes but ask yourself this....why dem couldn't qualify fi Germany after that?

The answer....it was infact a one off. They did beat some good teams but that was down to strategy more than talent. If you look back at the games, they played the more a defensive counter attacking game. That means they sat back and absorbed lots of pressure for most of the 90 minutes of football. There was no creativity from that team and alot of people argued that they played anti-football. They probably wouldn't qualify for the WC and another European tourney for the next decade or so.

[No Mercy]

3rd spot

The 3rd spot for concacaf is up for grabs. Only mexico and USA is guarantee a spot in 2010.

Jamaica is going to need excessive discipline as a team in order to succeed.

Nobody is mentioning Canada and trinidad. Do not be fooled by our 2 wins over under 21 players recently. Guadeloupe would be a good test for us.

We need two wingbacks who can played on the left and the right. They must be tall,strong,fast , skilful and hard tackling. They must be able to play on the right and the left. We also need a hard tackling midfielder ,fast,skilfull,good aerially, good with both feet and a work horse. We should recruit the midfielder who was with Marlon King at Watford when they were in the premiership.

Our wingbacks options is our weakest area and until we fix that we not even going to the airport for world cup 2010.

My team so far.

Goalkeeper - Ricketts,Mccallum,Kerr

Centre half - Shavar Thomas, Claude Davis and Oneil Thompson

Left defender - ?
Right Defender -Marshall - closest - still looking.

Midfielders -
Bibi,Fabian Taylor ,Campbell ryce - Still looking for a midfield general.

Strikers - Luton Shelton and Marlon King - Also looking for a stronger left sided striker.

Specialist players in time of need - Pepe, Nosworthy,Fuller,Jermain Hue,Onandi Lowe and Sean frazer.

[TheDread]

one game at a time. lets worry about bvi or bahamas before we jump to the hex.

[Shatta]

As a man thinketh so is he and mi a watch the one Warlord round here

Anyman who automatically puts himself in an inferior position a move suspect to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwo36Z5N7kk