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  • Why is Fergie ahead of Liverpool? Simple, look at the team

    My favourite line in the article, "...a Liverpool squad that remains a work in progress and one at Manchester United that is a work of art."


    Sometimes the best explanations are the simplest ones. Princess Diana died because her driver was drunk and going too fast. The Twin Towers were hit by Islamic terrorists, not CIA agents. The continued success of Simon Cowell and the Osbourne family is, indeed, one of the harbingers of the apocalypse.

    To this list, we can add the reason Manchester United will, in all likelihood, move five points clear of Liverpool at the top of the Premier League table by beating Fulham tonight.


    They have a better team.
    Now this may come as a surprise to those still looking for clues to account for the change in the balance of power this season. In recent months, many otherwise rational people have become convinced that Liverpool have frittered away supremacy in the title race based on a combination of rogue and random factors.

    Mind games played by Sir Alex Ferguson, the fractious contract negotiations of Rafael Benitez, boardroom unrest at Anfield or any number of peripheral events are believed to have inspired Manchester United to claw away at Liverpool's lead. This is good news for analysts, commentators and headline-writers, who have had, as The Flintstones theme tune puts it, a gay old time.

    Without wishing to spoil the fun, however, it is more straightforward than that. Take the best Manchester United XI and the best Liverpool XI and put them together: how many of Benitez's team would get into Ferguson's? Not many. And that is why the championship is again heading for Old Trafford.

    By my reckoning, maximum four, minimum two. Split the difference, call it three. Whichever way, there is nothing here to suggest that Liverpool can get the better of Manchester United this season, or next, without substantial upgrading in the summer.

    Now, this is not a foolproof system for calculating future champions - it affords no explanation for England's failure to qualify for the 2008 European Championship, for instance - but it is not a bad one.

    Using it, Liverpool would be placed above Chelsea, although not by a huge distance. Manchester United, by contrast, would dominate Chelsea with just one player (Frank Lampard) or a generous three (Lampard plus Jose Bosingwa and Ashley Cole) getting into Ferguson's current team.

    Assessment is made on form this season, not reputation. So while there may have been a time when Jose Reina, Liverpool's goalkeeper, would have shaded it from Edwin van der Sar, in goal for Manchester United, it is not right now when the Dutchman has beaten a long-standing British record for minutes without conceding a league goal, and is closing in on the 1,390- minute European record set by Dany Verlinden of Club Brugge in Belgium in 1990.

    Javier Mascherano is another who would have walked into the holding midfield role at any club last season, but he has been a disappointment this year, perhaps as a result of his exertions for Argentina during the Olympics.

    That leaves Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard as the two Liverpool players who would definitely be accommodated in the Manchester United team while, on a good day, one of Xabi Alonso or Mascherano could make the defensive midfield and an out-of-position Jamie Carragher would contend at full back.

    Benitez's penchant for drama has drawn understandably negative comment as Liverpool's grip on the prize has weakened, but he cannot be held solely responsible. His squad deficiencies are being exposed just as Manchester United's strength in depth is at its most apparent.

    Arsene Wenger, the Arsenal manager, had it right. Asked about the mind games that famously denied Newcastle United the title in 1996, he replied that Newcastle's defence, not Kevin Keegan's outburst on Sky TV, determined the final placings. Logical explanations get you nowhere in the pantomime that is the Premier League, though, so instead we waste valuable time analysing pronouncements from Old Trafford, and their effect, at the expense of crediting what is arguably the finest squad of footballers assembled by an English club.

    There has never been a group like the one at Manchester United. Gary Neville versus Wes Brown versus Rafael da Silva, and that is just for the right back spot. Wayne Rooney versus Dimitar Berbatov versus Carlos Tevez versus Cristiano Ronaldo. Yet we ignore this and become distracted by Rafa's rant.

    There are similarities with the collapse of England's cricket team in Jamaica two weeks ago, in that several small factors might have made an impact on the cohesion of the team, but none were actually in the middle with bat in hand.

    So a certain incendiary quality around Benitez might not have helped Liverpool at a crucial moment in the season, but this is not as significant as a Liverpool squad that remains a work in progress and one at Manchester United that is a work of art.

    So Benitez does not get on with Rick Parry, the chief executive? Big deal.

    Jimmy Greaves, in wonderfully flippant mode, summed up the inconsequence of departmental relationships on the dressing room, by recalling his time at Tottenham Hotspur. 'Most of us didn't like Bill Nicholson, and Bill Nicholson didn't like us,' he said. 'In fact, the only thing we all agreed on was that we couldn't stand the board of directors.'

    Benitez's distance from Parry and George Gillett, one half of the partnership of American owners, may be a problem for the long-term stability of the club and could be very damaging in the summer if he leaves, but it should not be, here and now, an issue for the playing staff. Nor should Benitez's feelings about Ferguson's influence on English football have an effect.

    That press conference tirade is often cited as explanation for Liverpool's reversal of fortune, but what would the fall-out be anyway? That Liverpool players rally around Benitez in the desire to stick one up United? They seem to have had that motivation for some while, judging by Mascherano's furious display at Old Trafford last season.

    The idea that Benitez's claims put pressure on his players is also ridiculous; as if there were previously no pressure on a Liverpool team with an opportunity to win its first title in the modern era. Had Benitez taken a vow of silence until the end of the season, the tension at Anfield would still be oppressively thick.

    The reality is that Liverpool are going up against a colossal group of players at United and no team, not even the lavishly-assembled Chelsea, can live with them right now. They have a unique multiplicity, so even the understudies of understudies would get into many good teams (as Mikael Silvestre did at Arsenal this season).

    It is in many ways the perfect squad, because it also provides for the future in players such as Ben Foster, the reserve goalkeeper, and Jonny Evans, who has fitted in magnificently at centre half in the absence of Rio Ferdinand this season.

    It is a sign of United's power that they could play an unconventional central midfield of Ryan Giggs and Darren Fletcher against Chelsea and still win comfortably. On another day it might be Michael Carrick and Anderson or Paul Scholes. If Benitez had United's squad he could rant at or fall out with who he liked: he would still win the league, as United almost certainly will.

    Now combine the two teams, starting at the back. Both have good keepers, but there can be no argument that a man who has gone 1,212 minutes without conceding a league goal is among the players of the season. Van der Sar, therefore, gets the nod over Reina. He has been on a roll since emerging victorious from the penalty shoot-out at the Champions League final last season.

    United have three strong right backs and the only alternative would be to overlook them all for Carragher, Benitez's defensive rock, out of position in a role he has occupied in key matches in Europe. This would be appealing because, to put it bluntly, he is not getting into this team at centre half.

    Those positions are reserved for Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic, an early contender for Footballer of the Year. Ferdinand's appearances through the season have been restricted by injury, but Vidic has been a constant and as a partnership they have now surpassed John Terry and Ricardo Carvalho of Chelsea.

    At left back, United's Patrice Evra is the best in the country at the moment, ahead of Ashley Cole, of Chelsea.

    Midfield brings another Manchester United landslide with Gerrard the only Liverpool player in a four that would comprise Ronaldo, Fletcher and Giggs. Torres would be the goalscoring spearhead, but his partner would be Rooney. Final total: Manchester United 8, Liverpool 3. And one of Liverpool's three gets in with a shoe-horn.

    Despite the excellent job done by Roy Hodgson, Manchester United should beat Fulham tonight and, at that moment, a daunting lead will open up. Liverpool still have to go to Old Trafford, so the battle is not over, but the biggest shock of the season would be if United threw it away from here.

    If that were the case, there genuinely would be need for an investigation - into whether Ronaldo's heart was still in Manchester, whether Berbatov's arrival had unsettled the team, if Ferguson was correct in his treatment of Tevez.

    Were Manchester United to blow it, we would all be looking behind the story for clues. It is easier to work out what has gone wrong at Liverpool, though: the answer is right there, on the teamsheet.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art....html?ITO=1490
    "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

  • #2
    Good post, boss!
    ...and regardless of what happens you have the best TEAM ...this year!
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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    • #3
      Good post lazie...but The best explanation may still not be correct.

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      • #4
        I agree! Great article & great post! But, one point on which I disagree, is that Raffa should not engaged in his protestations re Fergie when he knew what the situation was. He should have focused on business and not give Fergie any sign that he (Rafa) was losng the psychological edge. Regardless of how good Man U really is, any card can play when these two sides get together. So even the slightest hint that someone is in your head or that has issues with you is not a smart thing to do. No edge should be conceded.
        "Jah Jah see dem a come, but I & I a Conqueror!"

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        • #5
          Ridiculous assertion that Fergie has a mental edge over Rafa when the article clearly states its the quality of players that might give Man U the edge.

          So if it is as he reasons the quality, then that can only be attibuted to the dollar amount to bring in said quality.

          Where Rafa holds his own and probably out manuevers Fergie is his ability to coach. Fact is with a so called lesser quality team Rafa is holding his own and the final judgement of his ability will be decided on the last game of the season.
          THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

          "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


          "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by X View Post
            Ridiculous assertion that Fergie has a mental edge over Rafa when the article clearly states its the quality of players that might give Man U the edge.

            So if it is as he reasons the quality, then that can only be attibuted to the dollar amount to bring in said quality.

            Where Rafa holds his own and probably out manuevers Fergie is his ability to coach. Fact is with a so called lesser quality team Rafa is holding his own and the final judgement of his ability will be decided on the last game of the season.
            "then that can only be attibuted to the dollar amount to bring in said quality"

            Wait ... since 2004 Rafa spent more than £189.866m on players ... since 2004 The Empire spent £170.35m. Suh can we kill the money Xcuse now?
            "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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            • #7
              Fergie rubbishes Chelsea's chances, insisting only Liverpool can deny United the Premier League crown


              By Sportsmail Reporter Last updated at 4:18 PM on 18th February 2009
              Sir Alex Ferguson has dismissed Chelsea's title hopes and claimed only Liverpool can stop his all-conquering Manchester United side winning a record-equalling 18th League crown.

              The Premier League's longest-serving manager expressed his shock at Chelsea's decision to axe Luiz Felipe Scolari after just six months and suggested their impatience would benefit United.

              'I think they have played into our hands and that the title race now is going to be between ourselves and Liverpool,' Ferguson told United Review.

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              Two-horse race: Ferguson (right) is wary of the threat from Benitez
              'I was shocked that Chelsea should part so soon with a manager of such great experience and proven success as 'Phil' Scolari.

              'Their haste is a reflection of the sad way the game is going, with everyone from owners, the board members, the supporters and the media demanding instant success and showing absolutely no patience in the pursuit of their ambition.

              Sacked: Scolari was shown the door at Chelsea

              'I would have thought it self-evident that winning prizes comes with stability and long-term planning. Yet so often, when a club is faced with a few problems, wisdom flies out of the window in the hope that a new man can bring about a quick fix.
              'Chelsea have called in a very experienced manager in Guus Hiddink and I am sure he will make an impact. At the same time, he has to start from scratch, perhaps putting together his own staff and gathering round him players of his choice which may take him some time.'

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              The United manager also praised Aston Villa for replacing Arsenal in the top four and even hinted they could make late charge for the Barclays Premier League title.
              Ferguson said: 'I shall be keeping a wary eye on Aston Villa, who seem to have picked up the baton from Arsenal.'
              THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

              "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


              "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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              • #8
                The part I don't like is his prediction...as it came to pass...up 5 points!!!
                Peter R

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                • #9
                  Lazie - where did you get these figures? I am trying to do the maths and it doesn't add up, but I may be missing something, so please post the source. Thanks.
                  "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

                  X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Paul Marin View Post
                    Lazie - where did you get these figures? I am trying to do the maths and it doesn't add up, but I may be missing something, so please post the source. Thanks.
                    Doesn't add up? Whats the numbers you're getting? Which number are you disputing?
                    "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                    • #11
                      Lazie - I am not disputing anything. I just want to know the source as off the top of my head, I don't know how they figured that much was spent by Rafa. It may well be true, but not just because you said so, that's why I want to know the source. That's all boss.
                      "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

                      X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Paul Marin View Post
                        Lazie - I am not disputing anything. I just want to know the source as off the top of my head, I don't know how they figured that much was spent by Rafa. It may well be true, but not just because you said so, that's why I want to know the source. That's all boss.

                        You said it didn't add up hence my question. Your fellow fan Xcuse has made a habit of bringing up money as an excuse for Liverpool's failure. I read in an article posted by newsnow.co.uk and grabbed the numbers. Didn't post the entire article since it wasn't that interesting. There were some undisclosed payments so it isn't accurate. Anyway, it will take some searching to find it again.
                        "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                        • #13
                          Okay - I don't think these numbers are accurate. I also don't think they take into account the net increase/decrease in spending which is the real measure that you have to pay attention to. If you look at your evil leader, my *guess* is that he has a higher net rate of spending than Rafa...but as you say, it would take some digging to find the numbers so that is not a statement of surety.

                          That said, there is no question - and I mean ZERO dispute - that the evil Slur Arselick has made wiser acquisitions than Rafa. Other than Torres and Mascherano, there are no standout new players that he has brought to the club despite spending a significant sum. The team he inherited was weak, and he did a lot with it, but he continues to struggle to find the right supporting cast for Gerrard and Torres.

                          To be fair to Rafa (who - barring some miracle - will not be at Anfield next year), we don't have the kind of money that Manure and Chelscum have, but we still should be doing better with the numbers that he has run up. Also, Arsenal have a ton of money and could afford to spend more, but their philosophy has proven that you have to spend big to challenge for honours.

                          I unfortunately have to close and say that it is now a virtual impossibility for your manurian scum not to win the title - again. Very unfortunate but a looming reality all the same.
                          "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

                          X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Paul Marin View Post
                            Okay - I don't think these numbers are accurate. I also don't think they take into account the net increase/decrease in spending which is the real measure that you have to pay attention to. If you look at your evil leader, my *guess* is that he has a higher net rate of spending than Rafa...but as you say, it would take some digging to find the numbers so that is not a statement of surety.

                            That said, there is no question - and I mean ZERO dispute - that the evil Slur Arselick has made wiser acquisitions than Rafa. Other than Torres and Mascherano, there are no standout new players that he has brought to the club despite spending a significant sum. The team he inherited was weak, and he did a lot with it, but he continues to struggle to find the right supporting cast for Gerrard and Torres.

                            To be fair to Rafa (who - barring some miracle - will not be at Anfield next year), we don't have the kind of money that Manure and Chelscum have, but we still should be doing better with the numbers that he has run up. Also, Arsenal have a ton of money and could afford to spend more, but their philosophy has proven that you have to spend big to challenge for honours.

                            I unfortunately have to close and say that it is now a virtual impossibility for your manurian scum not to win the title - again. Very unfortunate but a looming reality all the same.

                            It just 7 points mi amigo, wait until your team get flushed away at Old Toilet on March 14th.
                            "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                            • #15
                              It is truly sad to think of how low Liverpool is if, as you say, it is a virtual impossibility that the maurian scum will not wint the title. It is hard for my imgination to fathom something lower than manurian scum......but I guess Liverpool is that something. Really sad!

                              What is also sad is that the ostrich X still denies that Fergie was way inside Rafa's head at a key moment in the Premiership race. A million denials or explanations cannot change that. That was a key monent, a fork in the road, a clear point in time that we all can point back to. And no, this is not done with the benefit of hindsight. This happened before. Fergie has been the protagonist on many occasions. Of this, Premiership history is clear. The antagonists have been many. I am sure many of them chuckled, as did others on the sidelines, when Rafa decided the play the wrong cards at the wrong times and lost the head games.
                              "Jah Jah see dem a come, but I & I a Conqueror!"

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