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    Playing in a dangerous manner
    Playing in a dangerous manner is defined as any action that, while
    trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the
    player himself). It is committed with an opponent nearby and prevents
    the opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury.


    A scissors or bicycle kick is permissible provided that, in the opinion of
    the referee, it is not dangerous to an opponent.

    Playing in a dangerous manner involves no physical contact between
    the players. If there is physical contact, the action becomes an offence
    punishable with a direct free kick or penalty kick. In the case of physical
    contact, the referee should carefully consider the high probability that
    misconduct has also been committed.

    Disciplinary sanctions
    • If a player plays in a dangerous manner in a “normal” challenge,
    the referee should not take any disciplinary action. If the action is
    made with obvious risk of injury, the referee should caution the
    player
    • If a player denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by playing

    in a dangerous manner, the referee should send off the player


    Impeding the progress of an opponent
    Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the path
    of the opponent to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of
    direction by an opponent when the ball is not within playing distance
    of either player.


    All players have a right to their position on the field of play, being in
    the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an
    opponent.

    Shielding the ball is permitted. A player who places himself between
    an opponent and the ball for tactical reasons has not committed an
    offence as long as the ball is kept within playing distance and the
    player does not hold off the opponent with his arms or body. If the
    ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an
    opponent.


    ...and...

    Careless, reckless, using excessive force
    “Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention or
    consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without
    precaution.
    • No further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be
    careless


    “Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard
    to the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent
    • A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned.

    “Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the
    necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.
    • A player who uses excessive force must be sent off.

    Charging an opponent
    The act of charging is a challenge for space using physical contact
    within playing distance of the ball without using arms or elbows.


    It is an offence to charge an opponent:
    • in a careless manner
    • in a reckless manner
    • using excessive force




    Taken from FIFA's -
    INTERPRETATION OF THE
    LAWS OF THE GAME
    AND GUIDELINES FOR REFEREES

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    Well did Brad act in a dangerous, careless or reckless manner or not? It boils down to - Did he commit an offense under the "Laws of the Game"?!

    I say, NO!

    Last edited by Karl; March 25, 2009, 01:18 PM.
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

  • #2
    Originally posted by Karl View Post

    Well did Brad act in a dangerous manner or not? It boils down to - Did he commit an offense?!

    I say, NO!
    "If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent."

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    • #3
      Karl, as a former FIFA referee...


      BLACK LIVES MATTER

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
        Karl, as a former FIFA referee...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bricktop View Post
          "If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent."

          ..and I say be consistent!
          Friedel or Torres, who charged?

          I have not changed my stance - Friedel was motionless...on his knees...on his space on the field with the ball running straight into his path/arms! It was his duty to get behind that ball and gather it into his arms if he could!

          You tell me what outside of that he did! The man only turned his face and upper body away from a frontal assault! That is what I saw!

          If I ran into Brad Friedel as Torres did I would be telling him how sorry I was! Not suggesting or expecting Friedel to be punished!
          Last edited by Karl; March 25, 2009, 02:18 PM.
          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Karl View Post
            ..and I saw be consistent!
            Friedel or Torres, who charged?

            I have not changed my stance - Friedel was motionless...on his knees...on his space on the field with the ball running straight into his path/arms! It was his duty to get behind that ball and gather it into his arms if he could!

            You tell me what outside of that he did! The man only turned his face and upper body away from a frontal assault! That is what I saw!

            If I ran into Brad Friedel as Torres did I would be telling him how sorry I was! Not suggesting or expecting Friedel to be punished!
            Torres charged and won the ball. If Friedel had won the ball I wouldn't be in here defending the referee's decision to call a penalty. Friedel mistake was not winning the ball.

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            • #7
              it's really sad to see what has become of karl.


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              • #8
                i'm scared mosiah...which one of us will be the next to completely lose our effing minds?!!!

                Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                • #9
                  Boy Karl, with you being a former referee I am kinda disappointed in your interpretation of the Friedel incident. The three relevant and pertinent facts to what formed the correct opinion and action of the referee are:

                  (1) Friedel impeded the progress of Torres by moving into Torres after arriving too late in his challenge for the ball, which is a foul. Torres just beat Friedel to the ball, but Friedel had momentum and saw that he could not stop himself;
                  (2) Friedel obstructed Torres in the penalty area (that means a penalty kick);
                  (3) Friedel's foul also denied Torres an obvious goal-scoring opportunity (with no other defender within playing distance of the ball, and that means a straight red card for USP).

                  This incident does not even come close to a dubious decision. Both the facts and the way the Laws of the Game require the referee to act are very clear. I would even opine that if the referee had not acted the way he did he would have probably been sanctioned in some way by the governing body for premiership referees.

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                  • #10
                    reminds me of a joke -

                    Old Mother Hubbard
                    Went to the cupboard,
                    To give the poor dog a bone:
                    When she came there,
                    The cupboard was bare,
                    And so the poor dog had none.

                    Now, say that verse again, but this time, leave the "F" out of bone.


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                    • #11
                      A must you a award all those penalties to pretty boy Ronaldo. So many of those have occurred and have been ridiculed that now when he gets fouled legitimately it is sometimes not given. By the way, in case you forgot, I am a Man United fanatic.
                      "Jah Jah see dem a come, but I & I a Conqueror!"

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                      • #12
                        Karl... the game is Football NOT Basketball
                        Peter R

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                        • #13
                          karl give march madness a whole new meaning

                          Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                            karl give march madness a whole new meaning
                            Believe mi this thread has me incredulous

                            14.02 Exactly how much movement can my goalkeeper get away with?

                            Law 14 says that the keeper "must remain on his line until the ball has been kicked". S/he may move anywhere on the line from side to side, however -- many keepers will move slightly to one side to encourage the shooter to shoot to the other side, and then dive to that side just as s/he kicks the ball.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Peter R View Post
                              Karl... the game is Football NOT Basketball
                              Peter I was away for quite a while...but would you believe I thought of basketball and how a foul is called when the man wih the ball jumps into the defender who remains motionless with his hands in the air?

                              You are correct in football you do not throw yourself at an opposing player and receive a reward, you are punished!

                              Who of Friedel and Torres it could be said 'threw' self at an opposing player?
                              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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