HL another great job by Jack "the ROBBER" Warner

[Karl]

I read Naminirt's response below and that is about how things are run...but, to satisfy my own curiosity and edification I will do some checking around and get back to you... it probably isn't all related to the puppet strings on Mr Camps' back..

Thanks and ...

Truth be told I am sure many here are wondering on how 'Jack' does it. There is a story that his run through CONCACAF and FIFA started with a conversation with Jamaica's Chung Fah and others who told of the opportunity having a united CFU presented.

[Peter R]

I read Naminirt's response below and that is about how things are run...but, to satisfy my own curiosity and edification I will do some checking around and get back to you... it probably isn't all related to the puppet strings on Mr Camps' back..

[Karl]

you sure about that ? our voting system is differnet club do not vote etc just the referees .. they changed the rules since the late 80's early 90's .. when the clubs tried to unseat jack but was unsuccessful ... there is not any no confidence motion in tnt .. etc

boy karl you just blindly stand in this man corner

Naminart: Tell us about your Congress and the process how delegates are selected - from the lower levels through to finding selves at Congress?

btw - Do you have a copy of TTFA constitution?
I am sure many here would love to 'get a read'. I would.

[Naminirt]

Peter I am dead sure you do not jhave an axe to grind...but -
How does that President retain his post or wield the power?

Peter is just does not wash that "Jack" stands alone and rule! That cannot happen!

It is the same thing they were saying about Burrell...and then there came Boxhill. It is the people who decide who or what type administration they want. Jack is wanted by the majority! That is the only way he could stand.

you sure about that ? our voting system is differnet club do not vote etc just the referees .. they changed the rules since the late 80's early 90's .. when the clubs tried to unseat jack but was unsuccessful ... there is not any no confidence motion in tnt .. etc

boy karl you just blindly stand in this man corner

[Karl]

FYI, If you check the facts the present President of TTFA/TTFF has been in that position for the last 17 years or so...why? I happen to be acquainted with the gentleman and believe me...well, I won't go there, but I will go as far to say when I see him I swear I can see strings attached to his back...

Peter I am dead sure you do not jhave an axe to grind...but -
How does that President retain his post or wield the power?

Peter is just does not wash that "Jack" stands alone and rule! That cannot happen!

It is the same thing they were saying about Burrell...and then there came Boxhill. It is the people who decide who or what type administration they want. Jack is wanted by the majority! That is the only way he could stand.

[Peter R]

FYI, If you check the facts the present President of TTFA/TTFF has been in that position for the last 17 years or so...why? I happen to be acquainted with the gentleman and believe me...well, I won't go there, but I will go as far to say when I see him I swear I can see strings attached to his back...

[Peter R]

But Karl, I just explained to you... the outrage is directed at the correct individual... you don't believe that those in the admin are not puppets? well, they are Karl, and that is why discerning folk know which tree to climb and it is the tree in Jack Warner's yard because HE is the man who controls the purse strings. Simple.

Jack IS NOT a mere consultant. Educate yourself about his role...and Karl, you know I have no axe to grind here... I am talking facts!

[Karl]

Karl, let me help you out; see below for the info you asked about. I cannot tell you whether the executive positions are current besides Oliver Camps' position, but I believe it is current. Latapy is now the senior men's coach. I got it from the TTFF website. Now, if I were a lawyer I say that was a leading question because you are now going to say where is Jack's name?

Jack is unofficially referred to as a "special advisor" to the TTFA (or TTFF who knows what it really is; and that is also part of the warner involvement).

Now, if you wanted to know the definition of the word "puppet", I'd gladly direct you to the President of the TTFF. Evey man Jack in Trinidad know who is the real man in charge of Trinidad football.



Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF)
- Foundation year 1908
- Affiliated since1963

President : CAMPS Oliver
Vice President : TIM KEE Raymond
General Secretary : GRODEN Richard
Treasurer : RUDOLPH Thomas

43 Dundonald Street
PORT OF SPAIN
Tel:+1-868/623 7312
Fax:+1-868/623 8109
admin@ttff.com , shaunfuentes@yahoo.com

website: www.ttffonline.com
Men's Coach : MATURANA Francisco(COL)
Women's Coach : CHARLES Marlon (TRI)
Media Officer : FUENTES Shaun

Jerseys : Red Referee

No, Peter, I am not going to ask where is Jack's name? I am going to ask, where is the outrage that should be directed at those with the real power under the TTFA constitution?

Where is the condemnation of those you euphemistically call "puppets"?

Where is the money to which the players lay claim? ...I am sure FIFA would ahve drawn those cheques to the TTFA...right?

Jack is a mere consultant!

[Peter R]

Karl, let me help you out; see below for the info you asked about. I cannot tell you whether the executive positions are current besides Oliver Camps' position, but I believe it is current. Latapy is now the senior men's coach. I got it from the TTFF website. Now, if I were a lawyer I say that was a leading question because you are now going to say where is Jack's name?

Jack is unofficially referred to as a "special advisor" to the TTFA (or TTFF who knows what it really is; and that is also part of the warner involvement).

Now, if you wanted to know the definition of the word "puppet", I'd gladly direct you to the President of the TTFF. Evey man Jack in Trinidad know who is the real man in charge of Trinidad football.



Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF)
- Foundation year 1908
- Affiliated since1963

President : CAMPS Oliver
Vice President : TIM KEE Raymond
General Secretary : GRODEN Richard
Treasurer : RUDOLPH Thomas

43 Dundonald Street
PORT OF SPAIN
Tel:+1-868/623 7312
Fax:+1-868/623 8109
admin@ttff.com , shaunfuentes@yahoo.com

website: www.ttffonline.com
Men's Coach : MATURANA Francisco(COL)
Women's Coach : CHARLES Marlon (TRI)
Media Officer : FUENTES Shaun

Jerseys : Red Referee

[HL]

PR, I have learned that some articles must be taken wid 'a pinch of seasoning'.

[Karl]

Three years after Germany 2006, Warner holds on to players’ bonus
By Olukayode Thomas (234next.com)

The interim president of the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT), Shaka Hislop on Thursday asked Nigerians to tell FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner to pay their allowance and bonus for the Germany 2006 FIFA World Cup.

Warner, the head of FIFA U-17 committee is currently in Nigeria for the ongoing FIFA U-17 World Cup.

Hislop who was goalkeeper for Trinidad and Tobago at that World Cup and who is now a commentator with ESPN told NEXTSports from his base in America that Nigerians should appeal to Warner to pay the players who qualified for the World Cup for the first time that year.

“Nigerians should appeal to him to pay the players in the name of fair play for FIFA. Fair play should start with Warner paying us our money,” Hislop said.

Another World Cup here

With another World Cup just a few months away, Hislop cannot understand why they have not been paid. Giving an insight into the issue, Hislop said: “The players won at the arbitration. It was Warner that told us to go the arbitration, which we did and won on all counts in 2008, but now he wants to take us to the High Court for an appeal and that is where we are right now. So we are waiting for the decision of the High Court this month. As at now he has not paid like 13 of the players. I think he has paid between eight and 10 players who have accepted a very small payment but 13 have refused to receive the payment because we believe that the figure they have provided is not correct.”

Breach of trust?

“We had an agreement on the money, first it was 70-30, then Warner changed it to 50-50 and we agreed, that is where we are now; we have not seen any of that money. The experience is varying for the players. For me, I retired from international football immediately after the World Cup but for the others... Warner blacklisted everybody else; they could not feature for the national team. He eventually recalled some others like eight months later but effectively Warner has frozen out all the players that took him to court.”

Relief for Hislop

When the court of arbitration ruled in favour of the players, Hislop and others were relieved, but the football federation shifted the goalpost again. Though they acknowledged the arbitrator’s decision they pointed out that “both parties agreed that the arbitration hearings will be in private and no one is allowed to disclose the contents of the proceedings and/or the judgment.”

As of today, the federation has not respected the ruling.

Claims and counter claims

According to Play The Game, an international body fighting corruption in sports, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation may have understated its earnings by 173 million Trinidad and Tobago Dollars (USD 28 million), devaluing bonus payments for national team players.

Players of the Trinidad and Tobago national team, the Soca Warriors, were promised equal shares in a bonus fund of 50 per cent of the revenues of World Cup earnings gathered by the TTFF for qualifying for the 2006 World Cup in a deal hammered out between the players and TTFF special advisor Jack Warner.

The TTFF quoted World Cup earnings at TTD 18.25 million (approximately USD 3 million), and claiming costs of TTD 17.9 million, initially offered players a bonus of a little under USD 1000.

This figure came as a surprise to Hislop. “As little as we knew about football finances that figure just didn’t seem right given the fanfare and corporate involvement with the team during Germany 2006,” he said.

Greedy players

Warner had earlier accused the players of greed. In a statement to CMC Sports, Warner said “What Trinidad is suffering from is from a situation whereby 16 or 18 players are holding a country and a federation to ransom because of greed.”

No comment

Efforts to get Warner and FIFA officials to speak on Hislop and Warner’s statement were abortive.

FIFA’s media officer Wolfgang Resch said on Thursday that Warner, since arriving Nigeria, has granted two interviews and that it will be difficult to get Warner to do a one-on-one interview, “It will be difficult to speak to him; he is not available.”

Resch will also not respond to Hislop and Jennings’ allegations on the phone. Answering a call placed across to him, he said: “I can hardly hear you, please send your questions.”

When NEXTSports sent the question via SMS, he replied that he would prefer an e-mail.

A mail was sent to the address he gave, the response was an out-of-office instant response.

All efforts to speak with Resch since then have been unsuccessful. Hopefully, Warner will read this and react to Hislop and Jennings.

Naminirt: Can you fill in some blanks for us?

Kindly give us the current TT officers and members of the current administration?

...and if it is not apparent, Jack's position in that administration?
Thanks!


btw - Is Jack in receipt of monies belonging to the TTFA or owes the TTFA monies?

[Naminirt]

It’s like the rich robbing the poor, says Jennings
NEXT Sports

British journalist Andrew Jennings is an investigative reporter, writer and documentary filmmaker. He is best known for his work on corruption in sports organisations and the politics of international sports, particularly within FIFA and the International Olympic Committee.

In 2006 Jennings investigated several allegations of bribery within FIFA for BBC’s Panorama, including million dollar bribes to secure marketing rights for company ISL along with vote-buying (to secure the position of FIFA president Sepp Blatter), bribery and graft attributed to CONCACAF president Jack Warner. Jennings told Olukayode Thomas in Johannesburg, that Warner’s decision not to pay the players is like the rich robbing the poor.

2006 FIFA World Cup qualification bonus for Trinidad and Tobago players.

FIFA’s position is that they are not prepared to do anything, because I interviewed Shaka Hislop for a BBC Television Film a couple years ago in Trinidad and he told me they had written to FIFA, but they said ‘no, it’s a domestic matter, we would refer you back to the Trinidad Federation’ controlled of course by Warner. That is disgraceful. FIFA has failed the players; FIFA is not prepared to support the players against one of its own.

Picture of FIFA in Africa as a decent organisation

Sepp Blatter needs votes; it’s all about his survival. It is like politicians going towards an election, they try to make happy as many constituents as possible by directing public works to them. All these are done by politicians and we see it in every country.

Blatter, to survive in power, has to keep the two most important regional confederations happy, that is UEFA and CAF, because there is a lot of vote in Africa and they’ve got be kept very happy so if you give them three tournaments in the space of 12 months then there is going to be a lot of jobs for the boys, lots of money floating around, lots of nice hotels and lots of expenses to be claimed. Isn’t Blatter a nice fellow?

So the whole thing is a deceit?

It is the fault of many sports reporters and editors because they don’t ask the question. FIFA is a big corrupt conspiracy, this was established in courts. It’s not a journalist saying it; it’s a Swiss court.

You should also know this, that there is a continuing criminal investigation in Switzerland into FIFA and Blatter.

Attacking Warner because he is black

That is rather desperately pathetic, isn’t it? I am very friendly with many black people, it just has to be disregarded and I don’t even get angry with Warner. If it was somebody else that said I was a racist, I would be concerned if I had made a mistake somewhere, but of course I know I have not but if it’s coming from Warner again it is a diversion.

Look back to 2005 when Trinidad and Tobago was at the World Cup in Germany 2006. That team is, with one exception, black. There was one white man. He was born in Trinidad and so he qualifies as all of the rest. 23 out of the 24-man squad were black men as you might expect from Trinidad.

You might ask Warner why he refuses to pay those men their money. I campaign for those men, and I really don’t want to go ahead making a point that I am a white man campaigning for those black men because it is irrelevant. I am a journalist who sees some footballers who have been duped.

Why the players deserve their allowances

I feel very bad about it because in the Trinidad squad, there were very few highly paid players in England. The goal keeper, Shaka Hislop, has been earning top money in Newcastle and other Premier League teams.

But Shaka, though rich, shouldn’t be robbed. Most of that squad were journeymen footballers playing in the lower leagues around Europe. They did so well to get their team to the last 32 and they represented their country with great dignity and fans may remember when Trinidad played England in Germany. Peter Crouch was going after the ball when Brent Sancho grabbed his dreadlocks and pulled him down, that was cheating, but Sancho didn’t punch him on the nose, he took it.

It was the dignity as a good player since the referee didn’t see it; they represented their country beautifully and they are entitled at the end of their careers to that money contractually and morally because they are not going to make a lot of money once their legs go.

Manipulating the law

The case has been to arbitration, he lost out at the arbitration but he still refuses to pay. The players have taken him to court in Trinidad, he is trying to change the legal title of the Trinidad federation.

This is called stealing. I would suggest to you that the next time that Warner tries to come to Nigeria, in the interest of all black footballers in the world, you don’t give him a visa, throw the man out of the country.

[Peter R]

...this sounds like someone wid a ax to grine...

the more successful one gets...the more folks want to juuk you down.

The truth of this article is somewhere in the miggle.

I am sure T&T is looking forward to host the FIFA WORLD U-17 womens championship.

If i were you Naminiart--I would look for a business opportunity from this upcoming world cup in T&T. Make some money!!!

Hl, We agreed to disagree on Jack but I have a couple of questions and a comment for you regarding your comments;
Why do you say that the truth of the article is somewhere in the middle, do you have information that others don't? and truth about what? the amount of money earned?
the truth is the players went to arbitration and a judgment was made that the Federation has not yet honoured.

My comment is that any opportunities to make money other than to sell sno cone outside the stadia are already accounted for.

[HL]

...this sounds like someone wid a ax to grine...

the more successful one gets...the more folks want to juuk you down.

The truth of this article is somewhere in the miggle.

I am sure T&T is looking forward to host the FIFA WORLD U-17 womens championship.

If i were you Naminiart--I would look for a business opportunity from this upcoming world cup in T&T. Make some money!!!

[Naminirt]

Three years after Germany 2006, Warner holds on to players’ bonus
By Olukayode Thomas (234next.com)

The interim president of the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT), Shaka Hislop on Thursday asked Nigerians to tell FIFA Vice-President Jack Warner to pay their allowance and bonus for the Germany 2006 FIFA World Cup.

Warner, the head of FIFA U-17 committee is currently in Nigeria for the ongoing FIFA U-17 World Cup.

Hislop who was goalkeeper for Trinidad and Tobago at that World Cup and who is now a commentator with ESPN told NEXTSports from his base in America that Nigerians should appeal to Warner to pay the players who qualified for the World Cup for the first time that year.

“Nigerians should appeal to him to pay the players in the name of fair play for FIFA. Fair play should start with Warner paying us our money,” Hislop said.

Another World Cup here

With another World Cup just a few months away, Hislop cannot understand why they have not been paid. Giving an insight into the issue, Hislop said: “The players won at the arbitration. It was Warner that told us to go the arbitration, which we did and won on all counts in 2008, but now he wants to take us to the High Court for an appeal and that is where we are right now. So we are waiting for the decision of the High Court this month. As at now he has not paid like 13 of the players. I think he has paid between eight and 10 players who have accepted a very small payment but 13 have refused to receive the payment because we believe that the figure they have provided is not correct.”

Breach of trust?

“We had an agreement on the money, first it was 70-30, then Warner changed it to 50-50 and we agreed, that is where we are now; we have not seen any of that money. The experience is varying for the players. For me, I retired from international football immediately after the World Cup but for the others... Warner blacklisted everybody else; they could not feature for the national team. He eventually recalled some others like eight months later but effectively Warner has frozen out all the players that took him to court.”

Relief for Hislop

When the court of arbitration ruled in favour of the players, Hislop and others were relieved, but the football federation shifted the goalpost again. Though they acknowledged the arbitrator’s decision they pointed out that “both parties agreed that the arbitration hearings will be in private and no one is allowed to disclose the contents of the proceedings and/or the judgment.”

As of today, the federation has not respected the ruling.

Claims and counter claims

According to Play The Game, an international body fighting corruption in sports, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation may have understated its earnings by 173 million Trinidad and Tobago Dollars (USD 28 million), devaluing bonus payments for national team players.

Players of the Trinidad and Tobago national team, the Soca Warriors, were promised equal shares in a bonus fund of 50 per cent of the revenues of World Cup earnings gathered by the TTFF for qualifying for the 2006 World Cup in a deal hammered out between the players and TTFF special advisor Jack Warner.

The TTFF quoted World Cup earnings at TTD 18.25 million (approximately USD 3 million), and claiming costs of TTD 17.9 million, initially offered players a bonus of a little under USD 1000.

This figure came as a surprise to Hislop. “As little as we knew about football finances that figure just didn’t seem right given the fanfare and corporate involvement with the team during Germany 2006,” he said.

Greedy players

Warner had earlier accused the players of greed. In a statement to CMC Sports, Warner said “What Trinidad is suffering from is from a situation whereby 16 or 18 players are holding a country and a federation to ransom because of greed.”

No comment

Efforts to get Warner and FIFA officials to speak on Hislop and Warner’s statement were abortive.

FIFA’s media officer Wolfgang Resch said on Thursday that Warner, since arriving Nigeria, has granted two interviews and that it will be difficult to get Warner to do a one-on-one interview, “It will be difficult to speak to him; he is not available.”

Resch will also not respond to Hislop and Jennings’ allegations on the phone. Answering a call placed across to him, he said: “I can hardly hear you, please send your questions.”

When NEXTSports sent the question via SMS, he replied that he would prefer an e-mail.

A mail was sent to the address he gave, the response was an out-of-office instant response.

All efforts to speak with Resch since then have been unsuccessful. Hopefully, Warner will read this and react to Hislop and Jennings.