Hyde in football, how good is he exactly?

[Stonigut]

Tell us and show us more on that Nuh! So how fast is he? Don't tell me is another sorta skilled, slow/ average speed player, that cyan work outside Ja.

[Mosiah]

I'm a genius! I wrote the above post before I saw this:

http://hurdlesfirstbeta.com/free-art...tride-pattern/

They also used the word "ambidextrous"!

I'm good!

[Mosiah]

OK!
...so the MC althlete ran 48.00 or thereabouts as 400M...better than HerbMac at that age. Even if we take into account the superior coaching/school development path that was a MC during the MC athlete's days when compared to HerbMac that 48.00 is damn good as pointer to potential. Yet...so far this MC youngster has done nothing to put self on World top list.

Within context of the MC athlete's potential - What can we take from that MC youngster's current standing as athlete?

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Now it is strange to hear you who have told us many times about your flirtation with the hurdles suggesting that

*"On track" suggesting in context of our (this thread's) discussion that the track leads to international senior world beater, fame and fortune.

Why?
You should know or have good idea on difficulty of 'short man' transitioning to hurdling a 3" - 4" higher hurdle as a mountain to climb.

*Comparable Shortman?: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bershawn_Jackson
and Collin Jackson? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Jackson

Most successful - 400MH - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/400_met...ssful_athletes

110MH - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110_met...op_25_athletes



Hyde's height - ?

Interesting article on Hyde by Hubert Lawrence done Dec. 2013 - http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2...s/sports5.html

Profile - Track: http://www.all-athletics.com/node/638742


Football: http://us.soccerway.com/players/jahe...o-hyde/250649/

* JFF's profile? http://www.jamaicafootballfederation...+Hyde&x=12&y=7

*Would suggest that at 15 years old he was a member of the Jamaica National U-17 team.

Say it again - It is a hell of a step up those 'likle 3 - 4 inches!!! The past is littered with 'great prodigies' who never made it!!! Risk? There is always great risks on any which way he goes!!!! Potential is one thing! Realizing same is a whole different (ball ) game!

Successfull sprint hurdling is all about stride length and hurdle height, maybe in that order. One might think it should be the other way around, but a lot of hurdlers, of whatever height, can clear the 42" height of the senior men's hurdles, but if the stride length between the hurdles is off, you will never be able to establish a rhythm that will take you past the first hurdle.

That's why I doubt Usain could beat any half decent hurdler because I suspect his stride length is too long.

So, once you have a decent height (6' tall is quite adequate) to clear the hurdles comfortably and you have a stride length that works perfectly with the distance between hurdles, yuh gone clear. The difference between the heights is as much as 6" (36" at the youth level and 42" at the senior) but I believe Hyde will do fine as he moves up.

For the 400m, what Hyde has over his rivals is he is "ambidextrous", meaning he can lead with either his left or right foot. You might think this is not such a big deal but trust me it is. Hurdlers would rather shuffle and lose serious time and lead with their preferred leg rather than try leading with the other one, which could result in a serious fall. So, Hyde is able to take 14 strides between the first 3 hurdles, which means he would be switching his lead leg from left to right alternately, and for the remaining 6 hurdles he maintains a 15 stride pattern, leading with his preferred left. You may remember the big hoopla about Edwin Moses' 13 stride patterns. Only Kevin Young, the world record holder, could match that. I think Hyde will have to "improve" on his stride length if he wants to be up there challenging for world record times. But that should be doable. More important is his ability to switch lead legs at will.

That is Hurdles 101. There will be a quiz next week!

[Karl]

Let me be clear on this issue, despite what I may have said, or what Forumites thought I said, Hyde would be the ideal candidate for placement at a top European academy/club. How far he can take his football career will be up to him. So, there is some risk in this. If everything goes according to plan, he could become a world class striker or any other position that could utilise his abilities.

If he chooses T&F, only injury will prevent him from achieving great things in the 2 hurdling events. Risk? Almost zero!

Several years ago, a star athlete from Munro found himself in a similar position. He had played and done well at the Norway youth tournament, played daCosta Cup at 14 years old when he was already around 6"-2", was called for the national U17 team and won the 100m at Champs. Incidentally, it was said he was better at the 200m and 400m.

A Serbian scout happened to see him score the equaliser in a game against arch rivals STETHS. Talks began instantly about bringing him to Europe. His father, a T&F and football coach, knew his son preferred football. The father's preference seems to have been track but he would allow his son to choose.

Well, several years later, his son is on a track scholarship in the USA. He never really achieved all he promised as a track athlete. We are not sure what would have happened had he gone the other route. Being an academically smart kid may have also influenced the college route as well.

The only difference between this MC athlete and Hyde is Hyde is a proven world beater in track. But this is what keeps worldwide football interest in our youngsters. On more than occasion I have been told all they're looking for are the speedsters. We'll teach him football, they say. Hyde is already 70% there! I think the Munro youth lost his chance at a strong football career. Hyde might be doing the same thing, but his track career is 100% on track!

OK!
...so the MC althlete ran 48.00 or thereabouts as 400M...better than HerbMac at that age. Even if we take into account the superior coaching/school development path that was a MC during the MC athlete's days when compared to HerbMac that 48.00 is damn good as pointer to potential. Yet...so far this MC youngster has done nothing to put self on World top list.

Within context of the MC athlete's potential - What can we take from that MC youngster's current standing as athlete?

---

Now it is strange to hear you who have told us many times about your flirtation with the hurdles suggesting that

Hyde's...his track career is *100% on track!

*"On track" suggesting in context of our (this thread's) discussion that the track leads to international senior world beater, fame and fortune.

Why?
You should know or have good idea on difficulty of 'short man' transitioning to hurdling a 3" - 4" higher hurdle as a mountain to climb.

*Comparable Shortman?: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bershawn_Jackson
and Collin Jackson? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Jackson

Most successful - 400MH - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/400_met...ssful_athletes

110MH - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110_met...op_25_athletes



Hyde's height - ?

Interesting article on Hyde by Hubert Lawrence done Dec. 2013 - http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2...s/sports5.html

Profile - Track: http://www.all-athletics.com/node/638742


Football: http://us.soccerway.com/players/jahe...o-hyde/250649/

* JFF's profile? http://www.jamaicafootballfederation...+Hyde&x=12&y=7

*Would suggest that at 15 years old he was a member of the Jamaica National U-17 team.

Say it again - It is a hell of a step up those 'likle 3 - 4 inches!!! The past is littered with 'great prodigies' who never made it!!! Risk? There is always great risks on any which way he goes!!!! Potential is one thing! Realizing same is a whole different (ball ) game!

Additional video: Interview early 2013 - Listen for his words on sports and academics - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJGnbJr0Sk

[Rockman]

Benbow too is VERY good!

[Assasin]

Maybe you can teach him the smarts? No?

It is always a interesting to see who make it and who don't

[Assasin]

What happen to Shelton. It is good to have speed but, will it translate into the ball game??? That is a big if. Scout maybe impressed with speed but they will look for development over time. You ever heard the term "fast and foolish"?

[Time]

Hyde is going to stick with track and field. He said that his decision to leave the Reggae Boyz youth side did not go well at home but he stuck to his decision and went to T & F training. That decision shows where his heart really is He wants to win a Manning Cup and that is probably why he is still playing football. I expect him to give up football when he lifts the Manning Cup or whenever he leaves 6th form, whichever come first.

[Mosiah]

A friend of mine had this to say about Hyde:

Hyde is actually your typical manning cup stand out - kick it pass you and runs it down, leaves you in the dust, old time english footballer. You see, Hyde is smart and he knows his advantages... Speed and Strength and he sticks to that.

He says this about the other big Manning Cup balla, junior Flemming:

Flemming has improved... Flemming is your out and out footballer, skill, 90% tactically sound, a touch of pace and such.....BUT NOT THAT SMART loves to showboat, if i was a coach i would take Hyde over Flemming.

[Stonigut]

Snow balla still have a place to play in development of ballers into a finished product, but we have to load up the production line of talent from the yard side, I think I see that we can do a much better job we are barely scratching the surface, too much potential is going to waste, very much like mango season in the hills aboveMavis Bank, ripe mango rotting on the ground so much is like a carpet on the walking trail.

[Stonigut]

On more than occasion I have been told all they're looking for are the speedsters. We'll teach him football, they say.

As Mosiah said above and even more speed is a separator and speed and skill combined is rare.

[Stonigut]

As always, I keep coming back to one fundamental, speed with skill is a monster unstoppable mix.

Kelly wasn't fast enough, Daley wasn't fast enough, maestro not fast enough, skill with marginal speed mean you have to be work super hard all the time, too hard to be consistently productive at the upper levels of the game.

[Mosiah]

Sure is! I much prefer this "spot talent", "development" Stoni than the snow balla one.

[Assasin]

always a thin line. Look at Keith Kelly, going to PSG we though he would be a pro player somewhere in Europe for a good few years. You have to weigh the talent with all the other intangibles and make a solid decision.

It may, it may not work out for you but in Hyde's case it did and there should be no turning back.

[Mosiah]

Let me be clear on this issue, despite what I may have said, or what Forumites thought I said, Hyde would be the ideal candidate for placement at a top European academy/club. How far he can take his football career will be up to him. So, there is some risk in this. If everything goes according to plan, he could become a world class striker or any other position that could utilise his abilities.

If he chooses T&F, only injury will prevent him from achieving great things in the 2 hurdling events. Risk? Almost zero!

Several years ago, a star athlete from Munro found himself in a similar position. He had played and done well at the Norway youth tournament, played daCosta Cup at 14 years old when he was already around 6"-2", was called for the national U17 team and won the 100m at Champs. Incidentally, it was said he was better at the 200m and 400m.

A Serbian scout happened to see him score the equaliser in a game against arch rivals STETHS. Talks began instantly about bringing him to Europe. His father, a T&F and football coach, knew his son preferred football. The father's preference seems to have been track but he would allow his son to choose.

Well, several years later, his son is on a track scholarship in the USA. He never really achieved all he promised as a track athlete. We are not sure what would have happened had he gone the other route. Being an academically smart kid may have also influenced the college route as well.

The only difference between this MC athlete and Hyde is Hyde is a proven world beater in track. But this is what keeps worldwide football interest in our youngsters. On more than occasion I have been told all they're looking for are the speedsters. We'll teach him football, they say. Hyde is already 70% there! I think the Munro youth lost his chance at a strong football career. Hyde might be doing the same thing, but his track career is 100% on track!