Hyde in football, how good is he exactly?

[Karl]

The coincidence of the use of the word "ambidextrous" got me all excited. Simply that!

Got yuh!

[Stonigut]

Read again, I said speed with skill not speed without skill or speed with a little skill, Shelton is the latter.

We can actually do much more with good speed and average skill than we can with good skill and average speed.

Speed separates and can create significant space, skill creates marginal space in a short period of time, speed with skill creates massive space, almost like jumping time, actually it is jumping time, you gain significant advantages in time and space with that combination. See Ronaldo, see Messi, see Bale! Speed and skill combination is off the charts. Sterling is on the path, let's see how that develops.

[Mosiah]

The coincidence of the use of the word "ambidextrous" got me all excited. Simply that!

[Karl]

I'm a genius! I wrote the above post before I saw this:

http://hurdlesfirstbeta.com/free-art...tride-pattern/

They also used the word "ambidextrous"!

I'm good!

Why do think after seeing the above your previous comments make you a genius?

The writer compares stride lengths and frequency of a number of hurdlers in the chosen races. How would that compare with latter day hurdlers...and most importantly "the why" on the changes in frequency of strides and also length of strides?

The first paragraph of the conclusion says it all -

Conclusion
Really, all this analysis of various hurdlers’ stride patterns leads to no definite conclusions, but what it does prove is that all approaches work, but that there is no one approach that works for everybody.

The final sentence in the conclusion emphasizes that hurdling demands of the athlete importance on "getting it right"...through use of various repetitive exercises and attention to detail on a host of areas -

everybody has their bread and butter. For some it’s quickness, for some it’s strength, for some it’s endurance, and for some it’s length.

[B]It also includes the advice:B] As a hurdler, it’s important to figure out what your bread and butter is, and to base your approach to the 400m hurdles on accentuating those qualities before making any major alterations to your race strategy.

In this last paragraph there is the unstated rearing its head - i.e. make the alternations on improvements in each area during practice...being mentally strong during a race coupled with the worked at conditioned reflexes produces 'best' during that race.

[Don1]

I was often told that my technique was perfect and other event competitors would take a break to watch me glide over the Class 3 hurdles.

mi spleen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Don1]

Did you say 60s?!?

Wrenk!

lol

[Mosiah]

Yuh clown hat tight pon yuh 'ead?

The Champs silver was in Class 3, claffy! Incidentally, my Western Champs Class 3 record stood for almost 20 years!

I did not qualify for the final in Class 2 at Champs. Hey, yuh have to give others a chance!

[Jangle]

Stop the press!!! Western Champs????? All along you had the forum believing that your medal was won at the mecca of Jamaica's Track & Field, the National Stadium. I can bet you were still singing soprano at MunroE when you won your little medal in '55.

[Mosiah]

Did you say 60s?!?

Wrenk!

[Mosiah]

I believe the height was 36". More importantly the distance between the hurdles were perfect for me. I was often told that my technique was perfect and other event competitors would take a break to watch me glide over the Class 3 hurdles.

Class 2 now, is where it got challenging. The hurdles moved up a little in height and I could maintain my stride pattern, but just barely. However, whereas I could do well with just technique in the lower class, I now had to compete with sprinters who also had decent technique. I was not a sprinter! Managed get a silver medal at Western Champs in my first year Class 2 and then wisely gave it up.

[Mosiah]

So what about balance, sprinting speed, efficient clearance and leg speed as it relates to getting the leading leg down as swiftly as possible to be able to generate force as directly related to endurance and speed over distance, etc., etc?

Dissemination of incomplete facts as 'the whole' tend to mislead. Right?

Now your comment on Bolt is acceptable as it includes disclaimers:
- expressed uncertainty on Bolt's ability;

- and there is stated uncertainty in other areas that demand same.

The serious flaw with your post taken as whole is the number of areas where certainty of knowledge is expressed or implied. Stating or implying
- that switching of leading leg does not impact 'entire hurdling mechanics' and speed across the ground;

- and variation in height of the hurdles do not also impact 'entire hurdling mechanics' and speed across the ground.

Merely being able to get over the hurdles (not necessarily recognized as "hurdling" in technical sense) has never been acceptable to the professionals. There is always constant work at improving efficiency on start, clearance of the hurdles and other mechanics and physical ability all related to improving time taken to get from start to end of race.

I think any attempt to 'poo-poo' or not consider the mountain of obstacles Hyde shall have to overcome on his striving to become senior top tier hurdler/world beater and possible world record holder is inadvisable. ...but then that is just me.

There was no way I would even attempt addressing all the variables you have mentioned, either because I would not have the time or I just don't have the knowledge. His coach will take care of those things and will be adequately compensated.

The first thing I'd like to confirm is that Hyde is at least 6' tall. If he is, then I would not worry about his ability to negotiate the senior hurdles with all the efficiencies needed - swift descent of lead leg, ability to generate force after each hurdle, etc.

You only have to look at one of his races to see that when he leads with his right leg it is practically the same as when he leads with his left. There is no balance issue, loss of momentum, etc.

[Karl]

Successfull sprint hurdling is all about stride length and hurdle height, maybe in that order. One might think it should be the other way around, but a lot of hurdlers, of whatever height, can clear the 42" height of the senior men's hurdles, but if the stride length between the hurdles is off, you will never be able to establish a rhythm that will take you past the first hurdle.

*That's why I doubt Usain could beat any half decent hurdler because I suspect his stride length is too long.

So, once you have a decent height (6' tall is quite adequate) to clear the hurdles comfortably and you have a stride length that works perfectly with the distance between hurdles, yuh gone clear. The difference between the heights is as much as 6" (36" at the youth level and 42" at the senior) but I believe Hyde will do fine as he moves up.

For the 400m, what Hyde has over his rivals is he is "ambidextrous", meaning he can lead with either his left or right foot. You might think this is not such a big deal but trust me it is. Hurdlers would rather shuffle and lose serious time and lead with their preferred leg rather than try leading with the other one, which could result in a serious fall. So, Hyde is able to take 14 strides between the first 3 hurdles, which means he would be switching his lead leg from left to right alternately, and for the remaining 6 hurdles he maintains a 15 stride pattern, leading with his preferred left. You may remember the big hoopla about Edwin Moses' 13 stride patterns. Only Kevin Young, the world record holder, could match that. I think Hyde will have to "improve" on his stride length if he wants to be up there challenging for world record times. But that should be doable. More important is his ability to switch lead legs at will.

That is Hurdles 101. There will be a quiz next week!

So what about balance, sprinting speed, efficient clearance and leg speed as it relates to getting the leading leg down as swiftly as possible to be able to generate force as directly related to endurance and speed over distance, etc., etc?

Dissemination of incomplete facts as 'the whole' tend to mislead. Right?

Now your comment on Bolt is acceptable as it includes disclaimers:
- expressed uncertainty on Bolt's ability;

- and there is stated uncertainty in other areas that demand same.

The serious flaw with your post taken as whole is the number of areas where certainty of knowledge is expressed or implied. Stating or implying
- that switching of leading leg does not impact 'entire hurdling mechanics' and speed across the ground;

- and variation in height of the hurdles do not also impact 'entire hurdling mechanics' and speed across the ground.

Merely being able to get over the hurdles (not necessarily recognized as "hurdling" in technical sense) has never been acceptable to the professionals. There is always constant work at improving efficiency on start, clearance of the hurdles and other mechanics and physical ability all related to improving time taken to get from start to end of race.

I think any attempt to 'poo-poo' or not consider the mountain of obstacles Hyde shall have to overcome on his striving to become senior top tier hurdler/world beater and possible world record holder is inadvisable. ...but then that is just me.

[Don1]

So, once you have a decent height (6' tall is quite adequate) to clear the hurdles comfortably and you have a stride length that works perfectly with the distance between hurdles, yuh gone clear. The difference between the heights is as much as 6" (36" at the youth level and 42" at the senior) but I believe Hyde will do fine as he moves up.

Oh ... mi seeit now

Suh wen yuh did ah mash up Champs back inna di 1960s wat was di hurgle height dem days ..... 30"???

[Stonigut]

Yeah and I am not even talking about the diaspora of those born and bred in the Uk, Aaron's and Sterling were both bahn a yard and lived here for the first five years or so of their life, so my question was where would they be today if they stayed in jamaica and I say they might not even be playing competitive ball at all.

[Islandman]

Yes there must be many gems lying around looking like ordinary stones. I agree with you that if our UK-based diaspora can produce so many top professional players then there is no doubt that the talent is there.