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[Paul Marin]

If memory serves me right England does not have a vibrant freedom of information act,do we have the whole story?
Suarez is a strange fellow,he was misunderstood by Evra,his manager(said to be reponsible for the changes in accounts...,and his lawyers that insist tgey can't prove anything and he should just take three games ban for doing nothing.

gamma quoted the following in one of his post.
"I’m not trying to pretend it was meant in a friendly way to Evra because clearly we were arguing. But nor was it ever meant as a racist slur."
If it was not meant in a friendly way the, it certainly should not be received as customary practice accepted by light skinned ....in Uruguay, are dark skinned people there okay with being called....?
Usually the problem is your personal feelings are forced to take a backseat to the findings of a designated body examining the evidencec(Travon etc),Suarez backers are disregarding that....
Suarez has reason not to admit being a racist,clearly he is aware of the consequences...

The fact is that the word "negro" was used. What remains in dispute is whether it was used in a racially derogatory context or not. I go back to Jamaica to point this out, if a Chinese Jamaican kicked down another player on the field, and the player jumps up and says, "Why you kick me so chiney man?" is that racial? If it is, then we are - without exception - all racists and there is no difference between us, and Suarez. You and I both know that we use that word in Jamaica without any derogatory intentions all the time. Period. There is no evidence, other than Evra's hurt feelings, of Suarez's intentions. None.

(By the way - freedom of information act only applies to government data, not private data. This incident would not be covered here either under the freedom of information act).

[Rockman]

You did mention a similar analogy previously.For me it is mixing apples and oranges.In Jamaica red denotes prestige(that which the bleachers seek),he might as well called you rich yute, and you draw parallels to being called destitute.
What's up negro,if that is said in an unfriendly manner,which part of that is the indicator?
Indeed there is no smoking gun so at best one can't claim innocent (either)which is what you are doing by being so critical of Liad Evra.

[Assasin]

So because Evra don't speak Spanish enough he shouldn't think he was insulted in Spanish?

I can assure you that not all Spanish native think been call "Negro" is good and nowhere can the word "Negro" means bro, He maybe saying "black bro".

Paul I am at a point where even if it was said by a black player for me it should be banish. We can't be calling ourselves names publicly if we don't want others to do.

You are going down a tender slope. Ok turn it around, if it was a white French player saying that to a black player from Uraguay, would it be acceptable????
We can't be excusing some people because of cultural differences. Racism in football cuts too deep for that sah.

Look at Terry, play ball all his life and was England Captain, played around black people all his life and didn't have good judgement??? It happens and we can make excuse for people but for me, you have to make better judgement. One thing "Cooolie" in Jamaica is not always friendly but I understand the point you are trying to make, however you don't come to the States calling people "cooolie" and expect no reaction. The fact is Suarez did it in England, a country known for racism in football and if he gets away with it, which other foreign culture you going to excuse??? Think about it, South Africa, German, who????

[Gamma]

well, that's a stretch Mr. Fantastic!

[Gamma]

CONTEXT ...... is using common sense. i would be more inclined to follow the line of reasoning if it was something in passing but it was not .. in passing! it was a confrontation.

[Gamma]

can someone who is not racist uses racial langaguage in an confrontation? if yes, would that be acceptable because they are not racist?

what is uruguay's history with regard to its own black population?

[Gamma]

"I’m not trying to pretend it was meant in a friendly way to Evra because clearly we were arguing. But nor was it ever meant as a racist slur."

[Paul Marin]

well, that's a stretch Mr. Fantastic!

Actually, it's not. I live with latin people, and trust me, they are different from us. But I am glad you realise that I AM..."Mr. Fantastic".

[Gamma]

it's your ability to stretch ... THAT is fantastic!!

[Paul Marin]

it's your ability to stretch ... THAT is fantastic!!

That's what she said! LOL!!! (but for the avoidance of doubt, and so that there are no hyperbolic insinuations by the over active imaginations of our creative forumites, "she" said so in an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT context (AND CONTEXT MATTERS) than the way I think you are using the word "stretch" here).

[Gamma]

correct .. context matters