Whilst X sit there talking

[Jawge]

You now move from simplistic to crazy. Would you
wave down a cop's car and demand that they take
you to work (because you pay taxes) with sirens
blaring? I hope you see the folly of your reasoning.
You say you run around supporting Ja's football and
at the same time you say the clubs are broke.This
only means that gate receipts cannot pay the bills.
It's high time the more organized Jakan clubs divest
in youth football; in order to get serious returns on
investment (as I already stated in the other thread).


As I said before; I understand the role of FIFA (and its extension
the JFF) in world football. I get one signing with a big
club in Europe; my relationship with the FIFA structure would
improve vastly. It's all about business.I'm not a govt. tax
agent nor criminal investigator. I'm just a business guy seeking
profit.If you sell patties or Jakan food in a restaurant, you
would not ask your customers where they earn their money or
where did they acquire the money to buy the food.One leaves those
things to other govt. agencies.

[Sir X]

Why is it you feel to tell them financially broke clubs should develop youths without factoring their coaching standards ?

Yuh ave sense ?

Its a 3 part question,hint
*The telling
*The finances
*The coaching

Glad you understand the JFF represents fifa on the Island.Now to answer your question as to why i feel i should tell the JFF any bloody thing,I am a stakeholder ( a fan) ,spend my money flying and driving all over the place watching / $upporting jamaican football.

Yuh ave sense,can you answer the question,if yuh call what you and Paul'y coming with as beating,please gwaan beat....lol

[Jawge]

"before you post nonsense about other developmental systems and why we should impart them into our socio economic system."

Is your Icelandic model included in the above? I won't beat up on you because
Paul has done enough. I will just present the facts. You spout your opinion about schools and clubs to develop the youth in Ja. The fact is; someone bypassed high school and clubs and was able to sign a youth in a major club in Europe. The only draw back is when the person saw that if this youth had played INT'L ball, the fee would have been higher (thus the hostile attempt to take over the JFF). The JFF is a body that represents FIFA on the island. FIFA runs world football. If I was in the youth development business the JFF and myself would have to be at peace. I'm doing business.

The funny thing about us Jakans doing business here in NYC (whether opening a restaurant or real estate spot) we do not question the guy who comes the first day we open business and present us with a bill to remove
the waste. No one ever said "why don't you sell some of those trucks, or how come the boss lives in that mansion on Staten Island" No you pay and focus on running your business. Why can't it be the same with the JFF? Why is it that you feel, you should tell them how much office space they should have etc.? It's none of your business. Let the JFF and FIFA work that out. Focus on developing your talent, then cementing a relationship that your talent plays in the youth FIFA tournament. Look at vinicius junior, what if Flamengo kept worrying about how the CBF is so rich and where does their money come from? Real would never see this talent. Do you begin to see the picture (hence my point)? It's business and as long as the game of football is around FIFA and the JFF will always be there (the same way the guys for the waste in NYC).

You can now talk all you want, the fact is someone bypassed all your talk and signed a youth in Europe. I hope the rest of clubs or youth bodies pay attention and move on this.

[Paul Marin]

Tired of shoving your own words down your throat,No Links! Just look at the fact you could not provide and alternative and just found out Iceland uses the UEAFA coaching system,after stating you are familiar with the Icelandic model and after I pointed out the change in its use.

Proof of a couple of things ,the most glaring is that I have been conversing with a pathological liar or idiot.

No links = No proof. Lyad! KMT. Now here's PROOF that you are talking out of your arse: You said "and just found out Iceland uses the UEAFA coaching system,after stating you are familiar with the Icelandic model"
1) http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/s...and#post576920
THIS IS THE ONLY REFERENCE I HAVE EVER MADE TO ICELAND IN THE HISTORY OF THE FORUM. IN IT I CLEARLY POINT OUT TO YOU THAT ICELAND IS PART OF UEFA! ONCE AGAIN, YOU ARE PROPAGATING FAKE NEWS.

2) You said: "Just look at the fact you could not provide and alternative"
One's decision not to provide an alternative is not a PROOF you flaming ass. Go back to school. You are wasting people's time. For those that care, the X's simplistic approach has been well dealt with by Jawge. He is my proxy in this argument (unless he says something I disagree wid ). X too dyam fool fi mi fi was'e any more time pon him.

[Sir X]

Tired of shoving your own words down your throat,No Links! Just look at the fact you could not provide and alternative and just found out Iceland uses the UEAFA coaching system,after stating you are familiar with the Icelandic model and after I pointed out the change in its use.

Proof of a couple of things ,the most glaring is that I have been conversing with a pathological liar or idiot.

[Paul Marin]

Ha ha!!! Your WORD is not PROOF. Give me a link or shut up and stop spreading " fake news ". Dyam fraud.

[Sir X]

Liad : You did say so,when we had the same debate about development in the past,as usual when yuh get di hammer to yuh ead,yuh figet,mi a quote yuh outta context or yuh nuh understand.

Proof : Like Jawgie up to now given our socio economic conditions,you strugle to understand the Icelandic model in my Ethiopia Revisted context of jamaican development,the only thing you can acknowledge is the ground breaking discovery that Iceland uses the UEAFA coaching system,at least Jawgie knows this as a given and has moved to tackle the mind breaking question of how a 1st world socio-economic coaching system (education)- The overhauled Icelandic coaching system -can be departed into a third world system like Jamaica.

Yuh ead nuh goodYuh cant give a viable solution!

It didnt occur to me then but it does now, the same way academics are taught at a 1st world socio economic institution,we impart same education to our students in our third world socio economic system, using our cultural and financial resources.

[Paul Marin]

I do not know what you and Paul were speaking about in full. Both Paul and yourself know the meat of whatever you guys spoke on.Therefore it would be prudent for you to engage Paul on that matter. Understood?

LOL!!! Really??? Where did I say that??? Clearly, this bwoy 'ead get lick out. He will NEVER find that reference because IT DOES NOT EXIST. Him a clutch at straws...but no mine, it doesn't take a genius to see that that you nuh haffi try hard to bowl him out between bat and pad. Big gaps in his thinking...directly proportional to the gap in him head.

[Paul Marin]

You must be doing this on purpose.

LOL!!! Nope...him doing it true him fool! LOL!!!!

[Sir X]

Ok,so you could not answer the question ! In the future when you sit down in front of your T.V and ponder the Jamaican developmental question,keep one thing in your mind before you post nonsense about other developmental systems and why we should impart them into our socio economic system.

Look at

* Objectives- Developmental of Jamaica's football -From every youth level,coaching education is a crucial part of it.Better coaches means better players.That must be referenced in any future proposal.

* Economics- Our Clubs dont have the financial muscle of Mex,so forget Brazil or any other culture with a higher standard of living whose clubs can afford what you suggested.

* Culture- Our culture will never accept an academy system where football without school education is not a part of it,like some parts of the world.

I would suggest the JFF sell its Head quarers in New Kingston,move to its academy,save itself some money and use the white elephant not only as an housing complex for world cup qualifiers but partner with one of our sport colleges along with an FA that has the required international standard of coaching education to churn out coaches of the highest order,from the basic level to the Pro level.Money can be sourced from the Fifa we get 250K per year.

As Simoes suggested we must stop begging - we can also ask corporate Jamaica and John public to sponsors RSPL coaches to attain liscence of the highest levels and bind them to 3-4 year contracts to schools,colleges,leagues or clubs.

Food for thought the JFF has been rumoured to spend 400K ,on a delayed project to build an academy that took 20 years to build,we could have had at least 80 UEAFA A or B coaches if they chose to invest that into coaching-better players.Thats calculated at the cost of 5k to achieve it.

If we use the 250 K per year allocated for the JFF from Fifa annually , X 20 years = 5,mill,you do the math on how many coaches we could churn out in that 20 years.


Like you ,I said in the past that clubs will lead the way,I was wrong.Jamaica must lead by partnering with all its stakeholders.

[Sir X]

You said this , I copied and pasted it "I pointed out that Mexico has a youth league but it's the clubs and NOT High Schools that are competing "

Jawge you highlighted "not high schools",you need to word your sentence properly because people will draw the wrong conclusions,like I did.

Read the article again Jawgie,it did not state our high schools are the sole enviroment to prepare the youths,just another component of it.

I am glad you feel that way about the clubs given the harsh economic enviroment,in the mean time do you see anything there in our football cultural and economic enviroment that we can work within to get more out of less.

Anything.

[Jawge]

You open your argument from a simplistic standpoint. Did I say that schools in Mexico don't compete? The question is; do the schools in Mexico prepare players for INT'L football. Everyone competes,we play pick up games most times here in the states with Jerseys and all. Does that makes us ready for INT'L football? Wow, this must be some cruel joke.

"Di club dem bruk" but High schools have it to prepare for INT'L ball though. I think the clubs in Ja should start investing heavily in youth ball (I'm talking from 5years up). If I run into the President of MBU, I'm going to tell him to stop let dem nyam out him money. He can make millions by divesting into youth football.

I do not know what you and Paul were speaking about in full. Both Paul and yourself know the meat of whatever you guys spoke on.Therefore it would be prudent for you to engage Paul on that matter. Understood?

[Sir X]

So are you saying that schools dont compete against each other in Mexico ?

I pointed out that Mexico has a youth league but it's the clubs and NOT High Schools that are competing- Jawge

Ethiopia Revisted : Is a 6 part blue print on how to develop Jamaica's football, while not perfect the goals I agree with,also the path to 2022.

* It has a 5 stage developmental model for football athletes in Jamaica that is age specific and coaching education specific.

* It specifically states the reason of financial woes, the club system encounters in youth development. Although ideal in a first world setting the club system is ideal for youth development,Jamaica does not have that luxury so it would be wise to adapt development to suit our financial and cultural reality.- DI CLUB DEM BRUK


Now I am going to stop here because It seems as if you did not read that part or maybe you believe that given all of the above, clubs should be forced to finance that route of youth development, that they cannot financially sustain ?


If that is what you are suggesting , explain how they are going to finance it,because you must know something they dont, Paul suggested awhile ago that poor people pickiney must find the money to partake in club academys because thats what they do in the states do you agree

[Jawge]

What is wrong with you? The article (Ethiopia revisited that is) clearly states where it aims at bringing a modern approach to the game within the high schools. I pointed out that Mexico has a youth league but it's the clubs and NOT High Schools that are competing. Do I have to be an INT'L coach to see that? Do I have to be an expert (with degrees and certifications) on birds to tell that the bird is flying?

You must be doing this on purpose.

[Sir X]

Ethiopia Revisited is about coaching right,you mentioned it in reference about me,i guess watching tv is the new online course for coaching education.