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  • Making Tivoli middle-class would be a backward step.......

    ...for some. Which middle-class house is going to have "several" plasma TVs and air conditioning in most rooms?

    http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/glean...ead/lead6.html


    No Timeline For Tivoli Facelift
    Published: Wednesday | June 9, 20101 Comment and 0 Reactions





    Residents say this house on Derrick Path in Tivoli Gardens was ransacked by Jamaica Defence Force personnel during the stand-off in west Kingston recently. Unlike most homes in Tivoli, it was ostentatiously fitted with several big-screen plasma televisions, air conditioning in most rooms and expensive houseware.
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    Gary Spaulding, Senior Gleaner Writer

    MINISTER OF Water and Housing, Dr Horace Chang, was yesterday engulfed in a cacophony of complaints which poured from residents of Tivoli Gardens who claimed that their houses were damaged during the military incursion two weeks ago.

    Chang was venturing into the community for the first time since the operation was launched to apprehend Christopher 'Dudus' Coke, a suspected drug kingpin who ruled Tivoli with an iron hand.



    Dr Horace Chang chats with a resident during a tour of Tivoli Gardens yesterday to assess damage to the housing stock. - Photos by Ricardo Makyn/Staff Photographer

    But neither a bill nor a timeline would be forthcoming from the minister at the end of his tour.

    Chang said it would require more time to obtain a realistic sense of cost to repair houses in the community.

    He told journalists that his ministry was not yet in possession of a preliminary estimate of the restoration cost.

    "I wouldn't set a timetable. At this time, we will have to provide shelter for those who do not have any shelter and then take it from there in terms of what we can do to restore some levels of normalcy to the homes," Chang told journalists after the tour.

    "A part of what you want is to put the events of the last weeks behind us and getting their homes back in good order is critical to that," he stressed.

    "We, at this stage, would really be guessing ... . This needs some serious number of man-hours and days to examine the real damage and then to look at what will be required."

    Healing process

    Chang said the social security ministry has a tighter timetable to restore normality to their lives.

    "In terms of physical repairs, we will have to have more than one phase," he disclosed.

    "You don't want too much of a reminder, as it would bring back painful memories to not only the adults, but the children, in particular, and it is part of the healing process, both emotionally and physically."

    Chang left the team that accompanied him in Tivoli Gardens to spend the rest of the day to carry out a microscopic review of the physical damage wrought to the houses.

    "The Ministry of Social Security has already been through and done the required surveys but we have to get a tighter lid on what will be required in terms of costs and budgetary availability."

    The houses sustained wide-ranging damage, mainly to doors and windows, which were apparently pried open during the operation.

    Complaining residents were quick to direct the Gleaner team to a stylish house which stood conspicuously apart.

    The house sustained major damage and its contents were in disarray.

    Furniture and appliances, including big-screen plasma television sets and other high-priced items, were extensively destroyed and in a heap.

    A foul stench emanated from the house which, unlike others nearby, remained unoccupied.

    gary.spaulding@gleanerjm.com

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    mi seh de gov't fi demolish tg systematically... move the houses from there... create an industrial complex... refurb coronation market... there is so much could be done with the area... widen spanish town road... create jobs in the rebuilding... develop better planned communities going forward... enough of these cramped schemes that only encourages criminality because security cannot access streets...
    'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ReggaeMike View Post
      ...for some. Which middle-class house is going to have "several" plasma TVs and air conditioning in most rooms?

      http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/glean...ead/lead6.html


      No Timeline For Tivoli Facelift
      Published: Wednesday | June 9, 20101 Comment and 0 Reactions





      Residents say this house on Derrick Path in Tivoli Gardens was ransacked by Jamaica Defence Force personnel during the stand-off in west Kingston recently. Unlike most homes in Tivoli, it was ostentatiously fitted with several big-screen plasma televisions, air conditioning in most rooms and expensive houseware.
      1 2 3 >
      Gary Spaulding, Senior Gleaner Writer

      MINISTER OF Water and Housing, Dr Horace Chang, was yesterday engulfed in a cacophony of complaints which poured from residents of Tivoli Gardens who claimed that their houses were damaged during the military incursion two weeks ago.

      Chang was venturing into the community for the first time since the operation was launched to apprehend Christopher 'Dudus' Coke, a suspected drug kingpin who ruled Tivoli with an iron hand.



      Dr Horace Chang chats with a resident during a tour of Tivoli Gardens yesterday to assess damage to the housing stock. - Photos by Ricardo Makyn/Staff Photographer

      But neither a bill nor a timeline would be forthcoming from the minister at the end of his tour.

      Chang said it would require more time to obtain a realistic sense of cost to repair houses in the community.

      He told journalists that his ministry was not yet in possession of a preliminary estimate of the restoration cost.

      "I wouldn't set a timetable. At this time, we will have to provide shelter for those who do not have any shelter and then take it from there in terms of what we can do to restore some levels of normalcy to the homes," Chang told journalists after the tour.

      "A part of what you want is to put the events of the last weeks behind us and getting their homes back in good order is critical to that," he stressed.

      "We, at this stage, would really be guessing ... . This needs some serious number of man-hours and days to examine the real damage and then to look at what will be required."

      Healing process

      Chang said the social security ministry has a tighter timetable to restore normality to their lives.

      "In terms of physical repairs, we will have to have more than one phase," he disclosed.

      "You don't want too much of a reminder, as it would bring back painful memories to not only the adults, but the children, in particular, and it is part of the healing process, both emotionally and physically."

      Chang left the team that accompanied him in Tivoli Gardens to spend the rest of the day to carry out a microscopic review of the physical damage wrought to the houses.

      "The Ministry of Social Security has already been through and done the required surveys but we have to get a tighter lid on what will be required in terms of costs and budgetary availability."

      The houses sustained wide-ranging damage, mainly to doors and windows, which were apparently pried open during the operation.

      Complaining residents were quick to direct the Gleaner team to a stylish house which stood conspicuously apart.

      The house sustained major damage and its contents were in disarray.

      Furniture and appliances, including big-screen plasma television sets and other high-priced items, were extensively destroyed and in a heap.

      A foul stench emanated from the house which, unlike others nearby, remained unoccupied.

      gary.spaulding@gleanerjm.com
      Foul stench?

      Dig up the floors! Rip the walls apart! Look in the roof! Check the closets, etc!
      "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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      • #4
        and shoot up that plasma tv some more!


        BLACK LIVES MATTER

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        • #5
          Why destroy them? Supposed they were bought with hard earned cash? Why not donate them to a school?

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          • #6
            it's reckless and taxpayers should not have to pay for it. it should all come out of the policemen's salary!


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            • #7
              This place of death where a medieval torture chamber was found, mass graves, and pet crocodiles can NEVER become a middle class community. Low income/poorly educated people do not equate into a middle class community.
              Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Exile View Post
                Why destroy them? Supposed they were bought with hard earned cash? Why not donate them to a school?


                Exile, sure they might have been bought with hard-earned cash, but the question would be was it bought with legally hard earned cash (whether by the person who owns it or someone else who bought it for that person)?

                Given that according to the newspapers and JPS, only about 30 people out of the 4,000 in Tivoli actually pay electricity bills, I rather doubt that the money used to buy all those plasma TVs was obtained above board....at the very least the fact that hundreds if not thousands are stealing electricity annually means a lot of them should pay back what they owe for the period of time when the electricity theft (and apparently water theft) has been going on; failure to do so in normal cities would result in seizure of assets for auction.

                I agree though that they shouldn't be destroyed. If they were bought with clean money then leave them there. If not donate them to some schools as you said. Barbados shouldn't be the only place with nice equipment in their schools in the region.

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                • #9
                  But Mo, where you think the policeman's salary comes from?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ReggaeMike View Post


                    Exile, sure they might have been bought with hard-earned cash, but the question would be was it bought with legally hard earned cash (whether by the person who owns it or someone else who bought it for that person)?

                    Given that according to the newspapers and JPS, only about 30 people out of the 4,000 in Tivoli actually pay electricity bills, I rather doubt that the money used to buy all those plasma TVs was obtained above board....at the very least the fact that hundreds if not thousands are stealing electricity annually means a lot of them should pay back what they owe for the period of time when the electricity theft (and apparently water theft) has been going on; failure to do so in normal cities would result in seizure of assets for auction.

                    I agree though that they shouldn't be destroyed. If they were bought with clean money then leave them there. If not donate them to some schools as you said. Barbados shouldn't be the only place with nice equipment in their schools in the region.
                    Maybe the plasmas were bought with money saved from NOT paying those utility bills
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                    • #11
                      then fire the fools who did it, after dem buy back di people dem tings!


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Don1 View Post
                        Maybe the plasmas were bought with money saved from NOT paying those utility bills
                        or maybe they have been receiving some nice remittances.

                        let's not assume that everybody in TG wid tings got it illegally! Dammit man! Is a raass sin to be poor in Jamaica bwoy!


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                        • #13
                          Baddaz, even though yuh went to the wrong school, yuh mek sense MOST time when yuh talk. I am saying that nuff of these ghettos are sitting on prime real estate that needs to be re-developed. It is a major undertaking but I don't think the GOJ should spend a red cent to fix any structure down there. Now is the time to rethink downtown and its environment.
                          Hey .. look at the bright side .... at least you're not a Liverpool fan! - Lazie 2/24/10 Paul Marin -19 is one thing, 20 is a whole other matter. It gets even worse if they win the UCL. *groan*. 05/18/2011.MU fans naah cough, but all a unuh a vomit?-Lazie 1/11/2015

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                          • #14
                            Poor? With several plasma TVs? If that is what you call poor then I would love to be what you consider "rich".

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                            • #15
                              lol... yuh bright and facey and outta orda... mi gwine mek da one deh slide fi de time been causen seh is a soe...

                              most time mi frustrated how our govts allow for the land to be utilized... downtown kingston needs a rebuilding plan... the southern coastline from before rae town to just past tg... a redevelopment plan is desperately needed... too many shacks on prime lands that could be used for businesses, shops, restaurants and cafes... get cruise ships coming back to victoria pier and venturing into the craft market and touring kingston...

                              so much could happen if we can only control crime, educate our people on the value of visitors and their potential contribution to their pocket...

                              low crime rate will spur investment... dudus and zeeks were pythons who squeezed the life out of kingston...
                              'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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