Waiting for Man Us luck to run-out

[Peter R]

I love all of God's creatures...I just don't like cleaning their manure

[Westman]

Gwaan swap u black dawg fi monkey! LOL!!

[Peter R]

I already have a seat on Arsenal's bandwagon, thank you

[Paul Marin]

Hey Peter R there is space on the wagon for you, dont worry we will accept you, jump on...LOL

This mussi di reason why you name "Sickko"...just because you are part of the evil conspiracy don't mean that you should lure innocent, hard working, solid citizens into your evil lair...back...get back I say!!!

[GazX]

Don't get me started on conspiracies. My theory is that corrupt FIFA is against technology because that way, they can't control the outcome of games. Take Henri's handball in the playoff with Ireland, which team (Ireland or France) do you think would generate more revenue for FIFA at the world cup? I unfortunately do not have any evidence to support my theory, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then...? The unfashionable clubs as you call them are really just supporting cast for the money spinning machines controlled by a small handful of people. What is most bizarre with officiating is that the people who (presumably) need to know the facts most (the refs) are the ones who are denied means (technology, replays etc) to make them make a just and fair decision. It nuh right!!

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Sadly, i wouldnt dare disagree with you, or rubbish you argument as it seems that at times, things work to maximise monies/ revenues income.

[Sickko]

Hey Peter R there is space on the wagon for you, dont worry we will accept you, jump on...LOL

[Lazie]

I agree going down to 10 men wouldn't have meant a loss, but it would have changed the game and would have been the right development. Because the ref blew the call, everything after that point was going to be controversial. The ref effed it up, plain and simple. Whether WBA would have won or lost is counter-factual and not really relevant but in my opinion - based on watching the game - I think a draw (in my opinion a likely outcome) would have been a great result for Manu** had the call been made accurately.

The ref effed many times that go against MU .. yet we move on.

[Paul Marin]

WBA got another penalty and missed it. I've seen MU rally to draw and win games that are out of this world, so going down to 10 men doesn't mean they would have lost the game.

I agree going down to 10 men wouldn't have meant a loss, but it would have changed the game and would have been the right development. Because the ref blew the call, everything after that point was going to be controversial. The ref effed it up, plain and simple. Whether WBA would have won or lost is counter-factual and not really relevant but in my opinion - based on watching the game - I think a draw (in my opinion a likely outcome) would have been a great result for Manu** had the call been made accurately.

[Lazie]

Lazie, if Neville had been sent off and WBA had converted, it would have been a very different game and probably would have gone in WBA's favor. That is what most people object to. As I said in another post, it happens with other teams as well, not just Manu**, but the frustrating part is that it happens at all. Based on the way both teams played on Saturday, a 10 man Manu** would have had a very difficult time beating an 11 man WBA holding a 1-0 lead. A draw - maybe...but a win? I don't think so.

WBA got another penalty and missed it. I've seen MU rally to draw and win games that are out of this world, so going down to 10 men doesn't mean they would have lost the game.

[Paul Marin]

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Agree with you there. Especially when its between a team packed with well known international players Vs a team of ordinary, not so famous players where a decision may cost the winning/losing of a cup, a CL place, or even the title itself. Im getting to the stage where it seems that there's almost a secret memo given to refs to ensure only the bigger, glamourous, richest teams shall be allowed to win at the expense of the unfashionable clubs. Example, remember back to Man U (YET AGAIN!!) against Villa in the league cup final last season, and Utd/ Owen been awarded a blatant non- penalty to help tem lift the trophy.

Don't get me started on conspiracies. My theory is that corrupt FIFA is against technology because that way, they can't control the outcome of games. Take Henri's handball in the playoff with Ireland, which team (Ireland or France) do you think would generate more revenue for FIFA at the world cup? I unfortunately do not have any evidence to support my theory, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then...? The unfashionable clubs as you call them are really just supporting cast for the money spinning machines controlled by a small handful of people. What is most bizarre with officiating is that the people who (presumably) need to know the facts most (the refs) are the ones who are denied means (technology, replays etc) to make them make a just and fair decision. It nuh right!!

[GazX]

Even if the smaller clubs were to get into the refs face I don't think it would matter. Part of the problem is that the refs appear to be intimidated by the big clubs, especially when they are on their own park. I guess with 75,000 people screaming at you, most people would buckle...but they are not supposed to be "most people". My problem is that the favoritism (and this is with all the big clubs, not just Manu**) is so blatant it is embarrassing, it nuh right.

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Agree with you there. Especially when its between a team packed with well known international players Vs a team of ordinary, not so famous players where a decision may cost the winning/losing of a cup, a CL place, or even the title itself. Im getting to the stage where it seems that there's almost a secret memo given to refs to ensure only the bigger, glamourous, richest teams shall be allowed to win at the expense of the unfashionable clubs. Example, remember back to Man U (YET AGAIN!!) against Villa in the league cup final last season, and Utd/ Owen been awarded a blatant non- penalty to help tem lift the trophy.

[Paul Marin]

Yes, Neville should have been sent off, yet you missed the no call that would have awarded MU a penalty in the same game?

Lazie, if Neville had been sent off and WBA had converted, it would have been a very different game and probably would have gone in WBA's favor. That is what most people object to. As I said in another post, it happens with other teams as well, not just Manu**, but the frustrating part is that it happens at all. Based on the way both teams played on Saturday, a 10 man Manu** would have had a very difficult time beating an 11 man WBA holding a 1-0 lead. A draw - maybe...but a win? I don't think so.

[Paul Marin]

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How you mean step-up the pressure? The lesser teams must follow certain teams by getting right in the Refs face to swing decisions. You tell me, if the tackles on Etherington, and Dorans had been committed by another/ less well known player, playing for a smaller club, what are the chances he'd still be on the pitch both times? Or if the smaller team does put the squeeze on to finally get that piece of luck such as with Doran's, then they seem more likely to receive such bad refereeing decisions go against them.

Even if the smaller clubs were to get into the refs face I don't think it would matter. Part of the problem is that the refs appear to be intimidated by the big clubs, especially when they are on their own park. I guess with 75,000 people screaming at you, most people would buckle...but they are not supposed to be "most people". My problem is that the favoritism (and this is with all the big clubs, not just Manu**) is so blatant it is embarrassing, it nuh right.

[GazX]

GasX... we haffi give Jack him jackit; ManU creates their own luck because of confidence... yes, they might be outdoing themselves but you get the sense they believe they can always win....
we, supporters of other teams need to step up the pressure and make our own luck. MU is not invincible, but it seems like other teams crumble in their presence...

The fact is other teams are the ones not making the most of the stumbles (the draws) that MU makes... Arsenal comes to mind, Chelsea too... how can you draw Aston Villa at home? teams need to play like they want to win the league and, this burns me to say it but, only MU is playing with a purpose.

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How you mean step-up the pressure? The lesser teams must follow certain teams by getting right in the Refs face to swing decisions. You tell me, if the tackles on Etherington, and Dorans had been committed by another/ less well known player, playing for a smaller club, what are the chances he'd still be on the pitch both times? Or if the smaller team does put the squeeze on to finally get that piece of luck such as with Doran's, then they seem more likely to receive such bad refereeing decisions go against them.

[GazX]

Wait, I don't recall you commenting on the goal Birmingham scored to level the game against MU? When Terry handled the ball in the box against Bolton, where was your comment? Wait, the penalty that Birmingham should have been awarded against Arsenal ... point out your comment?

Yes, Neville should have been sent off, yet you missed the no call that would have awarded MU a penalty in the same game?

Yes, the refs make mistakes time and again, why not point to all the mistakes instead of pointing to the one that went in MU's favor? Every team benefit from bad calls, yuh forget last season where Chelsea won a title by 1 point after benefitting from 'weak refs' in the 2 games against MU?

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But is it any wonder that the teams at the top, end-up staying at the top or able to sustain unbeaten records when they more often than not get match changing decisions go in their favour. Dont forget Neville should also had walked against Stoke for the Etherington foul but yet again A.F & Co benefit or lucky by having another weak ref.