We Neva learn our lesson, keep banging the wall!

[Karl]

Stonigut: Agreed! ...but...

You are correct.
...and I also agree with "Tappa" and if the below article is true to Alfredo Montesso, I also agree with him.

1st - We 'baaal' dem...but were not good enough to win. Simple - they scored twice, we scored once.

2nd - On the first goal we made a ton of defensive mistakes.
...and on the second goal we were, as it is for my other beloved team - The GUNNERS - at set pieces we concentrate firstly on defending (man marking opponents is the mantra - (Incidentally that I have always thought of the first option as nonsense...) - and after we think of attacking the ball.
It should always be the reverse - First observe flight of ball and if on attacking same the player's determination is - impossible to get to FIRST..then and only then it must be preventing or making it difficult for your opponent from physically getting to the ball.

It is damn simple - forget all the nonsense about 'jocking your man'... -
a goal cannot be scored save THE BALL enters goal!!! ...so it must be 'ball' first.

We did not have even one of our defenders attack the ball. Hey the ball traveled the great distance from the corner-circle to our goal-area. If the attacker could attack it. so could at least one of our defenders!!!

The article:

GUATEMALA City, Guatemala — Jamaica's Reggae Boyz bossed Friday night's crucial encounter against Guatemala in their CONCACAF World Cup Qualifying Play-off Series and didn't deserve to lose.


That's the view of Alfredo Montesso, assistant coach of the team, when he spoke to the Jamaica Observer a few hours after the game at the team's Hotel Vista Real base.








The Boyz rallied from a 16th-minute Carlos Figueroa strike to level the score in the 61st via a Luton Shelton penalty, but misfortune struck five minutes from the end when captain Carlos Ruiz popped up to glance home a firm header to give the Central Americans all three points.

"I thought the team played well and they didn't deserve the result that they got," Montesso said.

But the Brazilian was quick to point out that a few elementary mistakes did not help their cause. He lamented that some players didn't recognise the tone of the game and didn't make the necessary adjustments in such a hostile environment.

"I think that we have to learn the lesson because when you play away... it is something that you have to make adjustments... I think that we held on to the ball too much sometimes, though we received some fouls that the referee never gave."

He was referring specifically to the play at the end when Shelton lost possession and Gregory Ruiz launched a long range shot which Dwayne Miller mishandled, resulting in the corner which led to the winning goal.

"When you play away you to have to identify those situations and adjust and be more consistent, so the result is not something that we were expecting... but I don't think it is over yet, as it will be very difficult for Guatemala to play in America, but we have to play our part in Jamaica by beating Antigua by at least three goals," he said.

The United States, who defeated Antigua and Barbuda (A&B), 2-1, at the Sir Vivian Richards Stadium Friday, and Guatemala are joint top of the four-team Group A with 10 points, three ahead of Jamaica, with A&B at the bottom with one point.

The leaders have identical goal averages of +3, while Jamaica currently have a zero goal average. A victory for Jamaican on Tuesday by at least three goals and any loss in the other tie will see them advancing to the final round of six teams, where three gain automatic berths to the Brazil 2014 World Cup Finals, and the fourth-placed team engage in a two-way tie with the winner of Oceania.

Montesso was also at a loss to explain the sluggishness of some players in the early stages of the game.

"I think that was another piece of the game that we paid the price for, not to be focused. They had a few occasions when they had control of the ball in front of our goal and we never attacked them for the ball and we had to adjust that during the game with Jason (Morrison) and Taylor (Jermaine) in midfield when we pushed them a little bit in front and we started to get control of the second balls and then we were able to control the game in midfield and we started to create those chances.

"Unfortunately, I think we should have got some more from this type of game because many times we got in good positions in front of goal to finish (score), and I really didn't want to talk about it, but we really missed Austin (Rodolph, who was recovering from an ankle injury) in this game because he has been finishing really well."

According to Montesso, the coaching staff and the players are gutted by the inability of the team to hit the target, which ultimately led to
the defeat.

"It's very disappointing for us as coaches, but it's very disappointing for them as players as well because we spoke a lot before the game and at half-time and after the game and said they should have been more calm and relaxed when we got inside the 18-yard box.

"But sometimes we just want to finish with one touch and sometimes that is not possible and therefore we needed to be more calm and patient and finish this ball inside with two touches, but we didn't.

"They were really disappointed after the game because they felt that they played a good game and when you... don't get the result that you need you feel disappointed.

"But this is football and we paid the price... but we still have our hopes in this game against Antigua and wait for what is to come from the game with Guatemala and America."

The assistant coach said he is confident the team will rebound against A&B next Tuesday because of the manner in which it is beginning to create goalscoring opportunities.

"What really gives us the confidence is the number of opportunities that we created against Guatemala, so if we push the game in that direction and we create as many chances... we hope to capitalise on some more of them.

"This is what we are going to concentrate our efforts on in training, but it will not be easy because Antigua almost drew with the US. They are a very organised team, but I think we have to push when we play at home because we have 100 per cent win record at home and we have to try to continue that," he added.

Morrison, who picked up a yellow card caution in the 76th, is suspended for Tuesday's game, having already been cautioned in the 90th+ against A&B on June 12.

However, Austin and Adrian Mariappa, who both missed the game through injuries, should return and Montesso revealed that a couple of locally-based players will be added to the 23-man roster as Kavin Bryan was also ruled out of Friday's game with an injury.

The team was scheduled to return home last evening after departing Guatemala City in two batches for Miami. They will go directly into camp in preparations for Tuesday's last shot to salvage the Brazil 2014 World Cup Finals.

Teams:
Jamaica — Dwayne Miller, Nyron Nosworthy, Shavar Thomas, Demar Phillips, Lovell Palmer, Jermaine Taylor, Jason Morrison, Jermaine Hue (Tramaine Stewart 83rd), Je-Vaughn Watson (Dane Richards 42nd), Ryan Johnson (Omar Cummings 77th), Luton Shelton.

Subs not used: Jacomeno Barrett, DuWayne Kerr, Dicoy Williiams, Andrae Campbell, Rodolph Austin, Ewan Grandison, Adrian Mariappa, Joel Senior, Abdre Lewis

Booked: Nosworthy (53rd), Morrison (76th)

Guatemala — Ricardo Jerez, Ruben Morales, Elias Vasquez, Erwin Morales, Jonathan Lopez, Manuel Leon, Jose Contreras, Marco Papa (Dwaight Pezzarossi 68th), Carlos Figueroa (Marco Ciani 74th), Minor Lopez (Gregory Ruiz 66th), Carlos Ruiz.

Subs not used: Jaime Carbajal, Cristian Alvarez, Wilson Lalin, Wilfred Velasquez, Gonzalo Romero, Henry Lopez, Mario Rodriquez, Claudio Albizuris, Sergio Trujillo

Booked: Minor Lopez (53rd), Contreras (59th), Ciani (90th+)

Referee: Roberto Garcia (Mexico)
Assistant Referees: Jose Luis Camargo (Mexico), Alberto Morin (Mexico)
Fourth Official: Francisco Chacon (Mexico)

Match Commissary: Hubert Isenia (Curacao)

Referee Inspector: Luis Enrique Yero (Cuba)




Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport...#ixzz29I7XhabK

Conclusion: - Based on our performance in this match against Guatemala I do believe that we can create enough chances to win by 3 or more clear goals. Our players must forget all else and concentrate on moving the ball a little faster (make decisions faster and immediately execute the pass) ...improve on accuracy of passes...and improve finishing!!!

Hue showed he can be much better at pushing our attack but against the faster Antigua and Barbuda players, his teammates must use their (common)sense and pass to his feet...do not have him moving an inch before the ball hits him!!! ...and Hue must then 'put the strings' immediately. That would prevent Hue being closed down - the little movements he would have to make is key - the opponent does not 'live' in his brain and therefore has to react after Hue has made his little move...the delivery of the ball to him (the use made of those little windows before the opponent can get to him is vital)...by his teammates must be sharp with pin-point accuracy.

I take back what I said about Hue just based on the poor technical ability of his teammates and the level of the opposition (******** poor) as when we move to the Hex...and to the higher level of the World Cup finals his pace cannot be compensated for as at this extremely lower level. The point is our all players can improve technical skills and use of commonsense...and so can Hue...but...Hue cannot raise speed of movement across ground to be on par with or prevent closing down by the much faster thinkers, movers and tremendously higher technical skilled players he shall meet in the Hex...forget at the World Cup finals. Hue, I watch carefully and he operated at FULL Speed of thought and movement across ground. He has nothing more to give. The most of the others of our players are fast enough...just lacking in necessary technical skills. Each can...and the technical staff can work on improving in that area.

These other guys could have been...can become excellent team! Just do it!

Aside:To return to the coming match - Will our winning by 3 goals be enough? Hey! ...a draw in that USA vs Guatemala game will sink us.

[Twan]

How many shots did we take?
1st half = 3
2nd half = 3

How many were on goal?
1st half = 2
2nd half = 1

Thanks!

see above

[Karl]

dont know which game you watched to make such a comment about shots on goal....

How many shots did we take?
1st half =
2nd half =

How many were on goal?
1st half =
2nd half =

Thanks!

[Mosiah]

He showed that he can contribute and that he could get better with a few more run.

For all the Hue-hayters, this may just be the very last time we see him in a national jersey, if we don't advance.

We have wronged this fantastic player for years. In the meantime, we have denied ourselves a Hex appearance over the last 2 WCs, maybe 3!

[Mosiah]

When I see people like you and Karl say that Hue played satisfactorily, then it says a lot! Unnu need fi see him play for HV week in week out. So much better than what he did on Friday. Indeed, had I not known his abilities, I would have been quite disappointed with his performance against Guatemala!

[Assasin]

We will more than likely not find an attacking midfielder to do defensive work. You will find one that can push a foot or run into defensive position but most attacking midfielders just do that defensive work.

You know I try and usually give the coaches a bly but the way how Hue play and it wasn't great by no means, there is no reason why he shouldn't be in the squad. He showed that he can contribute and that he could get better with a few more run.

We don't just need a wall but we need people who think on their feet and make good decision with the ball. At least Hue was changing the ball from wing to wing and was making himself an option for the pass. Something some of the "wall" could learn.

[Twan]

Can someone tell me why is it that Maestro is summoned to the team every time we find ourselves in a bit of bother? What does that tell you?!?

Well it says ......
1. that ONLY at that time can Tappa temporarily put aside his "bitterness', for Hue, and call him to the team. Which speaks volumes about the coach's team selection policy. Tappa lives in Jamaica and should be able to see Hue's performance every week.

[Assasin]

I tell them all the time. Football is about maximising your strength and limiting your weakness. The fact is Hue is one of 11 players and for most part he did his job.

You will hardly likely find the prototype midfielder in numbers. Yes it was sad that Rudi didn't get to play. If he did he would have covered a lot of defensive lapse. Watson seems like the prototype midfield but the fact is currrently he has mastered nothing. He hasn't masterd the offensive side or the defensive side of the game.

As I said before the game prove that without Hue, Demar Phillips and Dane we have no player who can play from left to right, can attack and change the game and provide puzzle for the opposing defense. I won't even talk about Keith Kelly, why? Becuase of the personal choices he made.

As for Taylor he was put there to cover when Demar goes forward. WE have a choice of playing Demar higher and finding a proper left back but we can't use him as leftback without any cover because he goes in the attacking third a lot.

[HL]

I was skeptical about the incl. of Hue. After seeing him perform, I think he did satisfactory.

[Mosiah]

Can someone tell me why is it that Maestro is summoned to the team every time we find ourselves in a bit of bother? What does that tell you?!?

I have seen Hue play much better games for HV this season than he played the other night. He knows those players, he doesn't have to think when he gets the ball. Hue played very haltingly against Guatemala, maybe because he is still feeling his way around these players. We erred greatly when we left him off the team from day one!

Until we find that attacking mid who can make passes like Hue while putting in good defensive work, let's use him! We haven't learnt from this mistake and now we find ourselves in a familiar position of desperation.

[Mosiah]

Over-analysis here?

Hue is a defensive liability. Everyone can see that. But he is not there to play defence. Of course it would be great to have an attacking mid who also covers from 18 to 18, but we don't have that. In the meantime, we need someone who can make a good forward pass that could result in a goal. Who does that better than Hue? In addition to that, who takes freekicks better than Hue?

Yuh really comparing Watson to Hue?!?!

Watson...is an active marauding tackling interceptor type player versus hue...

So right about that! But does he have the ability to consistently make good passes that can result in goals?!?

One local player told me that Hue did not play so well because he could have taken two shots with his right foot and didn't. How many times do we pressure right-footed players to take left footed shots?!? Fact of the matter is Hue uses his right foot more than how right-footed players use their left.

If Hue loses the ball, we imprint it in our minds and bring it up as some kind of argument why him nuh good. Nevermind that other players lose the ball twice as much as he does!

Indeed, it could be argued that Hue played more defence in this match than some of our defenders!!!

Point is we always want him to do more than everyone else. Hue should have been on this team a long time ago. Maybe we would have already qualified for the next round.

[Sir X]

Totally disingenious Stoni !

To single out Hue as a fault and then butter it up with team selection to justify that loss ,( or our problems), whats your grouse with Hue , the best player on the field, the player who did what he was selected to do , create chances that our players could not put away, corners that went to nought?

Where was Hue when we drew and lost on the road ? Where was Hue before we became so desperate ?The question lies in our forward line on whose head we might be going out.

Look we all know Shelton limitations he is not a World Class striker , be it as it may he is our leading goal scorer against Bahamas etc, cant get squat out of the top 4 or 5 in concacaf(Mex,USA,C.Rica, Pan,Hon,), if he does score it is all luck i.e buck up put penalties and free kicks in that class.

Fuller is worse , so that is where we are, Fuller & Shelton to lead the line ? both ratio combined against the top 5 in concacaf is a joke , against minnows it is still a joke.We created chances , but our cutting edge was lacking.

Did Hue have anything to to with the 2 goals conceeded against guat? Be honest and stop holding belly fi di man like Tappa.

You do have a point in what we need in our midfielders but to single out Hue to make that point is ridiculous.

We need two bonafide killer strikers in the mole of(fill in the blank).....mek mi stop ,a decent striker would put them in the back of the net.

Johnson has had two bad games back to back.Shelton & Fuller cannot make my team, so in my opinion we have 1 decent striker who will have a bad game or two, where is the depth to keep them motivated (threaten them /compete with them that the bench is near ), thats our main problem.

[Gamma]

2 losses

[Stonigut]

I hear you but the horse bolt the gate already anyway everything cross hoping for a miracle.

[Stonigut]

Listen it is not about Hue but it is about hue type players like kelly and daley and the type of play they bring to the unit.

Think of our half as a fort, we are defending our goal that is in the center of the walls, the Walls are defined by our half, thus the forwards are outside the wall in the field skirmishing and applying pressure and eating space forcing opponents to hurry passes coming out of their half, our midfield are the guys on the ramparts, nobody can get pass the walls or if they do it is a futile single foray and it is quickly quashed, in order to play that game we need fast and furious midfielders,with tackling ability, speed and great center of gravity, this will add pressure quickly to any additional pass and kill or squash any possibility of a string of passes between players trying to get through the walls.


If you think of midfield then as the real defense then you would never, I mean never put a player like hue on the field, he is a defensive liability and just does not pressure the ball, that combined with Taylor playing mid like a fish out of water and Morrison the only one playing the hardcore role creates tons of space, thus the intruders are in your half, through your walls and making plays in your half that led to the first goal, look back at the gold cup game against guat, you will see that they could not move the ball at all in our half, our mids were playing them tight, giving no space and always applying early pressure, when you fail to man the ramparts on one section of the wall then your system fails as you have others trying to overcompensate for that weakness.


We think too much of these players as individuals they are a system, they are a mesh that must work cohesively one backing the other in combination to create an overwhelming advantage in space and time, shutting down the corridor of attack.

Again think of the idea of a pie chart and think what is it that a mid spends most time doing and what you find is that probably most of that time is spent closing space against an opponent or opening space to create availability for the pass in both cases you need speed and you need a fast and agile mind that guys that we use to call chicken thief have. They are natural born interceptors, stealers their brains are faster and one step ahead on plays,that combined with a tough tackling hard running player is the only thing we need in our midfield, if mariappa and Austin were in that game we would have a different result entirely, actually if Austin was in that game the result would have been different he brings an active, aggressive sentinel style that keeps intruders out and lifts the alertness of the entire mids. Thus nothing against hue, he just cannot make my Jamaican midfield as he does not meet that requirement. Teams cannot afford a player that is mostly one sided you just have too much to Make up on the defense side of the ball. Think of watson morrison and austin, then think taylor, morrison and hue combination, you see the massive difference, watson as the attacking mid is an active marauding tackling interceptor type player versus hue, you give that up completely leaving morrison and taylor trying to make up the gap and taylor hjust trying to adjust, too much pressure on morrison and phillips coming back in after not playing is just too much pressure on the unit.

Anyway lets see if we have any shot, we missed doing the most critical thing on Friday so now it is just a wishing thing, as them used to say back in the days if wishes were horses beggars would ride,beggars never rode that is the problem, wishes is pure fantasy, so it is just left to chance that maybe somebody fall of them horse and hit them head for us to ride to the hex, lets see what motherluck say bout that.