Greatest contradiction in yard ball!

[Karl]

"finding"? yuh tink is suh dis ting go...you have to develop players...they aren't hiding somewhere...they are running up and down wasting their time for Georges & Wolmers..waiting on somebody to develop them properly

If as you say, the talent is there: What is the difference teaching the concept behind *the 2x table at a StGC or Wolmers and at your "place of development"?

Is it that at StGC or Wolmers the kids brains are frozen and at your "place of development" suddenly the same kids brains become receptive to information?

*the 2x table is an analogy for "the football".

You keep perpetuating nonsense! I wonder what is your purpose?

It is absolutely simple our teachers of the game are ignorant of the subject!


Aside
Just look at the derision on the board when the matter of distance from 'keeper where best chance on scoring was being discussed (Ozil's goal --- that 5' - 6').

Not verbatim but... - Comments such as, If I never saw it (the game or the scoring of the goal - I would have believed the nonsense Karl spoke on distance of 'Ozil to 'keeper being 5' - 6' feet when he made that pass Whoooeeee!???? ...or what stupidiness dat man which 5' - 6' feet? Whooeeee!????

All of us here have had discussion on the game in many local (Jamaica local situations and elsewhere where football is the topic) and too many have never even been exposed to the matter of 'relationship - 'keeper to striker' - on pass on goal.

I am dead sure many have had conversations on why it is our national teams have a 'goal-scoring' problem. Could it be that the teachers/coaches have not a clue on concepts behind the scoring of goals?

Jus kick hit, man! Could that be the sum total of goal-scoring concept taught? ...but what of our coaches work at self-improvement? ...not many saw or discussed that matter of relative distance most often occurring between goal-scorer and 'keeper'...and passing on the knowledge to the students???? ...and members of the school - of this board - learning same through second-hand discussions=passed on by the students who took subject "football"?

It is fact that good fields builds confidence...but if the player can adjust in the 'twinkling of an eye' to balls with unpredictable bounce then the ball on great fields always presents predictable bounce it is, BUTTAH!

...as to not being able to 'look up'? Utter rubbish! "The looking up" must be done before the ball arrives...the eyes must be glued to the ball on the foot making contact. I do not care who or where contrary information was derived. It is utter rubbish not to know where your TEAM-mates and opposing players are before you receive the ball.

...and if the man on the ball is in a situation where there is "no pressure", the ball could be when allowed by him to bounce around like a ping-pong still would allow for time to "look first" and then return eyes to the ball for a pass!

If the playing surface was a great problem: Why then the many poor passes when the ball is not allowed to hit the ground before passed on? It is not bouncing around in the air...is it? Why poor head passes? Why poor volleys?

Where on viewing our TEAMs at play do we see:
- Sensible Approach Work as TEAM;

- Sensible Approach work as individual;

- Use of pace of ball to enhance passing on goal;

- Consistent unselfishness as TEAM goal is targeted or put another way individual selfishness channeled...ensuring TEAM wins/advances and thus getting for self more and greater exposure in the "football market place"?

- Consistent good movement and consistent good passing?

- The tactical nuance of SUDDEN in passing sequence and movement...and pass on goal?

Look it is nonsense to blame and make excuses for our poor teachers. There is the saying, a poor workman blames his tools. ...the fields are poor? Let us face the reality of having ignorant and thus lousy teachers and not withdraw into blaming their tools/proffering an excuse on their behalf.

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I will never forget seeing on this board...in our early years...one of our 'well educated' footballers suggesting that merely walking on the field together meant there was a TEAM. We have come a far way, baby!!! ...but we still have far to go!!!

...sometimes we are misled by the rambles of the Cable/TV commentators and our local experts (local experts? iffen a laf a dead!).

[Karl]

On point, Stoni!
It is after all is said, A TEAM GAME!!!

[Karl]

It can be done but Stoni, as the game gets faster on the poor surfaces, players cannot keep their head up before the ball arrives or even with the ball because if they take their eyes off the ball anything can happen.

You are joking...right?

[Gamma]

even a netball court is better than some of the tracts of land masquerading as a football feiled with tufts at crab grass at irregular intervals and dirt and pebbles all around with the odd shard of glass...not to mention the undulating landscape

[Bricktop]

we can develop 8-12 year olds on netball courts...what we need is competent teachers...

[Karl]

Yuh seit! TEAM!

One has to be selfish as in allowing oneself to enjoy TEAM achievements!

How the hell can you reap/earn selfish rewards in a TEAM game if the TEAM is not consistently doing well...consistently winning and advancing in tournaments? What reward can you earn...selfishly earn...if your TEAM is always out of the limelight?

If the TEAM is not in the limelight...how can you be there?

[Gamma]

yes they do! dont take my word for it though.

ALL of france's former colonies have easier access to france than any jamaican has to england, much less fi get a work permit fi play ball.

sterling and aarons are examples of what CAN happen.

i do agree with your point about talent development but that again is SIGNIFICANTLY hampered by playing surfaces at our high school and premier league level. at that level all the countries you mentioned have better facilities than we do ... again...check it out.

you dont build a house from the top down .... maybe that can work with football but i doubt it very much. to develope your craft you need the tools, infrastructure is one of those tools.

[Don1]

Listen nothing stand still too long unuh mi bredrin, we try the short cut method and it reap a little bit, but it is now clear that the real harvest have to come from within, so we need to start building it now and I am not talking no money thing, just plain get better at every thing we are doing now, where we stand now, set some goal and try beat the goal and rinse and repeat. A lot of low hanging fruit all over.

From Genesis to Revelation

[Stonigut]

Listen nothing stand still too long unuh mi bredrin, we try the short cut method and it reap a little bit, but it is now clear that the real harvest have to come from within, so we need to start building it now and I am not talking no money thing, just plain get better at every thing we are doing now, where we stand now, set some goal and try beat the goal and rinse and repeat. A lot of low hanging fruit all over.

[Stonigut]

Cho gamma come oFFA dat point, so Senegal, Ghana, Nigeria and Cameroon have more access to those leagues than jamaica, no I don't believe that one bit, the talent and development of talent is better, we are creating a Darwinian hell for our players Nuff competition and no development.

[Gamma]

because it is better you dribble and try to score than try to pass ....

look how we play ... hoofing it to the forward and hoping for the best because we are not used to passing it through the midfield from the back.

[Don1]

Stoni dont disagree but the first thing we need to do is proper playing surfaces. We have 70% unemployment all that jeep money should go to fixing fields , grading seeding and irrigation....

[Don1]

Stoni yuh ah trod pon Damascus Rd fi reel....

The thing that we least produce, the area that we are always talking about, the greatest need in jamaican football, the position that we have had the least success in filling in professional leagues in the last twenty years or the last fifty years; the attacking midfielder, the creative force behind the team, the one that everybody is always waxing on an on about finding the 'player' who can fit this role yet the very thing we are looking for and have had the least success in creating we have no way to measure or create standards for success in that position.

Andy Williams showed us the way in the Mls with 86 assists in 189 matches, he is in the top ten all time assists list of the Mls yet in Jamaica we still don't track the assist, how do we find productive creative midfielders, by how good them bruk and bob, is that how Benbow gets selected on a team and yet players who show a high level of productivity cannot get recognized in this one critical area of identifying talent.

How do we recognize that attacking midfield is so important yet do little or nothing to actually measure the most crucial stat for such a position.

It is Time to measure the assist in all school leagues and competitions, prizes and cups for assist leaders, such an emphasis will change the way we play ball, when players realize that there is more to ball than being the last guy to touch the ball into the goal, real change and development will happen when players get rewarded for building up play and passes that will lead to assists on goal.

Affi respek yuh football shift to local development... aldo di conversion did tek some big kick offa mi Tims ova nuff months

[Gamma]

stoni, we have the same dusty fields ALL over jamaica. so what is the difference? senegalese and camerounians for example have EASIER access to getting a chance to go to europe to play its easier!

how many 25 year olds get signed directly from ghana? it was easier for didie drogba to get to france than it is for any jamaican player to get there or even to england.

the difference is at what age does the opportunity present itself. soemwhere along the line they took an chance on african players en masse and it is now EASIER to get a player from africa to get to play in europe than it is to get one from jamaica. those are the facts!

aside from playing on the steets, what is the state of club football in these countries? and what of the fields? take ghana for example they have professional clubs and good fields with stadia holding over 40,000 spectators.

those kids playing in the street are playing for a chance to play 220 football for one of the pro clubs and then move on. THAT is where we fall short...

[Assasin]

All me can tell you is every Jamaican I meet at my kids games who play ball say the same thing "if we get this training when we were kids". Our field is not the greatest but there are some stark differences. Smaller field, six a side.

You have to go training at least 2 days a week 4 optional and Fridays are skill training, mostly learning moves and specialize goalkeeping training for those who want it. The field is one thing but we need to put in the work, sensible work, not with people who think "they know it" but with people who know it.

We need to spread the knowledge of the better coaches, work as a unit and get the better players as a unit on the better grounds we have and let them work every so often. Having two good baller on a weak teams across the island will not help us and they only get call up 3 weeks before competition, some never even played on a good field or before 2 thousand people all their lives, Plus other don't know what it is to pass the ball and get it back.