Scaly, evidence of your 21 families that run Jamaica

[Me]

That is no different from anywhere in the world.

[Bricktop]

I don't understand some of these posters...most of them have got to reside in the United States...detached from third world reality...

[Muadib]

Were around in the 70s ?

FINSAC ?

Money goes where it feels safe.

Some people need to wake up to REALITY..

[Scaly Spurs]

I love it

And non of that money stays in the country.

I read some time ago that total bank deposits in Jamaica was less than J$500 billion/US$6 billion, yet still tourisim brings in over US$1.5 Billion a year for several years so you tell me where all the tourisim income goes ?

I stayed at one hotel in Jamaica recently and spoke to the GM about banking, he did not hide the fact that the hotel's main banking relationship was in Miami and he fly's the deposit bag to Florida every night.

And yes one of the 21 families is an owner of the hotel.

[Skeng DX]

good read

[Muadib]

My point is simple: What Joshua started in the
70s wasn't fully completed, hence the descendants of slaves are still at a disadvantage. The prime money earner in Ja is tourism. If you are going to be a major player in tourism, you need real estate. Now who control most real estate? You can build a hotel on land and someone with land around you build a cement factory, and other industrial buildings right next to you. What will happen to your hotel? (whilst this landowner and friends have nice tourist spots with friends and family in another location). Descendants of slaves will find it very hard to penetrate the tourism field based on the above facts. Fortunately the info age is here and the terrian will change. What you must understand is that Joshua tried to redistribute wealth in JA (where the descendants of slaves could have a say in making real money) it worked to a "point but was easily and subtely reversed. It's ironic that it's the descendants of slaves that build the culture of reggae and dancehall (the main reason why tourist travel to Ja) coupled with easy going no problem man, yet they cannot gain much from it. As Mo said "how much moving and shaking can waiters and waitresses do?" Have you listened to some of the music that these artists are putting out?Amazing these people are talented. I Wayne missing you like crazy, Mamma and Papa (may favourite). The people know that others are getting the credit while they mash the works.

"Fortunately the info age is here and the terrian will change. What you must understand is that Joshua tried to redistribute wealth in JA (where the descendants of slaves could have a say in making real money) it worked to a point but was easily and subtely reversed."

What is subtle about the Government bond scheme crafted by the PNP which ensured the most massive transfer of 'wealth' from the poor to the rich since slavery was abolished ?

Yuh call dat subtle ? Motty talk bout it everyday...

I amost feel sorry for you comrades.. Manley dead leff unnuh with some memories about a 'revolution' while his party goes about excelling at the very things unnuh apparantly despise...

Hoodwinked, bamboozled... again..

The illusion shattered... as your 'heroes' are exposed.. now unnuh clinging after Portia who has been there from the beginning, complicit.. born again ?

The fall for this set of monkees is going to be great and wi not going sarry fi non a dem...

[Comment]

My point is simple: What Joshua started in the
70s wasn't fully completed, hence the descendants of slaves are still at a disadvantage. The prime money earner in Ja is tourism. If you are going to be a major player in tourism, you need real estate. Now who control most real estate? You can build a hotel on land and someone with land around you build a cement factory, and other industrial buildings right next to you. What will happen to your hotel? (whilst this landowner and friends have nice tourist spots with friends and family in another location). Descendants of slaves will find it very hard to penetrate the tourism field based on the above facts. Fortunately the info age is here and the terrian will change. What you must understand is that Joshua tried to redistribute wealth in JA (where the descendants of slaves could have a say in making real money) it worked to a point but was easily and subtely reversed. It's ironic that it's the descendants of slaves that build the culture of reggae and dancehall (the main reason why tourist travel to Ja) coupled with easy going no problem man, yet they cannot gain much from it. As Mo said "how much moving and shaking can waiters and waitresses do?" Have you listened to some of the music that these artists are putting out?Amazing these people are talented. I Wayne missing you like crazy, Mamma and Papa (may favourite). The people know that others are getting the credit while they mash the works.

You ask the question who controls the most real estate. I will answer you. It is a government body called the UDC. What have they done with it. By your own estimation not much. LOL

Jawge, you can try to run, but you can't hide. The fact is your heroes are megalomaniacal sociopaths who prey upon your simplemindedness to lie and decieve.

[Jawge]

My point is simple: What Joshua started in the
70s wasn't fully completed, hence the descendants of slaves are still at a disadvantage. The prime money earner in Ja is tourism. If you are going to be a major player in tourism, you need real estate. Now who control most real estate? You can build a hotel on land and someone with land around you build a cement factory, and other industrial buildings right next to you. What will happen to your hotel? (whilst this landowner and friends have nice tourist spots with friends and family in another location). Descendants of slaves will find it very hard to penetrate the tourism field based on the above facts. Fortunately the info age is here and the terrian will change. What you must understand is that Joshua tried to redistribute wealth in JA (where the descendants of slaves could have a say in making real money) it worked to a point but was easily and subtely reversed. It's ironic that it's the descendants of slaves that build the culture of reggae and dancehall (the main reason why tourist travel to Ja) coupled with easy going no problem man, yet they cannot gain much from it. As Mo said "how much moving and shaking can waiters and waitresses do?" Have you listened to some of the music that these artists are putting out?Amazing these people are talented. I Wayne missing you like crazy, Mamma and Papa (may favourite). The people know that others are getting the credit while they mash the works.

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my two cents: I just came back from
JA. I was staying at a hotel and overheard a political argument between employees. One said "yuh tink a juss lock dat hotel juss lock up so? wait till ... win an yuh wi see how fast it open" even dat one cross di road wha dem let off yuh tink if ... so was in power it would still a run" Now they called the owners name for the first hotel. I can tell you that prior to 1972 these peopele could not even own a patty stand on the hip strip in Mobay but such is life. I was amazed that the emplyee was unwittingly agreeing to to the sabotage of the economy. why does it take one party to be in power for you to open an hotel? can these methods be practiced in the states or any developed country? Ja is a plantocracy and it's operating on a slavery menality. It seems that blacks on a whole can't get in the business circle where the real money is made and if they do they are forced out by certain tactics. One they don't own much land (go back to the days of the maroons) hence if their business is in certain area, land owners can degrade it by selling property around it for other usage hence literally slowing and destabilising a growing prospect. It's going to be hard for descendants of slaves to get into the tourism business (because this is a known cash cow). I think a new hope is there for the descendants of slaves because of the info age. The info age is not tied to prime real estate as does tourism hence a sound education system will propel the descendants of slaves to unimaginable heights. Mo and Karl thanks for your input once in a while I get some serious reasoning around here.

Jawge you nerd. I really don't understand what your point is, or who you are defending. If all what you write about plantocracy and so on is true, doesn't that pour cold water on the foolish PNP revolution of the 70s arguement.

"Ja is a plantocracy and it's operating on a slavery menality. It seems that blacks on a whole can't get in the business circle where the real money is made and if they do they are forced out by certain tactics. "

So much for the liberation we have been experiencing these last 18 years.......

[Comment]

Agree or disagree, why lower yourself to name-calling? Truss mih, you are more credible without it.

pr

Think nothing of the name calling. Sticks and stones.

[Muadib]

"...the families named by Mo, the Matalons, the Faceys, the Geddes, the DeLissers, the Clarkes and the Kennedys were all in the seventies..."

Only 70s?!?! What happened after that?

Yuh cyaan read.. when di Omar take over ?

Ask Ras Tafari who backed Manley in 1989 and why...

Is nuff man Eddie tell if eff off.. nuff 'BIG MAN'....

[Muadib]

Agree or disagree, why lower yourself to name-calling? Truss mih, you are more credible without it.

pr

Yuh have pickney ?

[Mosiah]

"...the families named by Mo, the Matalons, the Faceys, the Geddes, the DeLissers, the Clarkes and the Kennedys were all in the seventies..."

Only 70s?!?! What happened after that?

[Peter R]

Agree or disagree, why lower yourself to name-calling? Truss mih, you are more credible without it.

pr

[Comment]

...but, there was a cartel that kept the major blacks on the outside. It was exercised in subtle and not so subtle ways. In those days through private backroom meetings and greasing of the right palms (...yeah, even using those within the society - private and public - lapdogs/'houseslaves types')/corrupting influences - still with us today given voice in "a who im" and or "out of his place" and or must know im place", lookdown the nose posture.

...found right now in, for example, the cartoonist, the JLP and various persons in our society tell PM Portia in subtle and not so subtle ways that she "mus kno har place"...

...found right now in, the poor service received from some workers within and without public service bodies - in lock door cannot see Mr. LOck-up behind door So&So...who runs fawning out of his office when as he sees it 'real sumady cum'.

When the members of 21 families had access to credit on nod, guesture or signature and the majority could not even get to see the loan officers....forget seeing the top managers.

...when members of the so-called 'elit classes' could on a nod and a wink receive government contracts and other plums within the society...and, members of the majority class could not...etc, etc.

Massa wi on a mission!
Nah change course!

...that some subvert the process by engaging in the same samfie practises...tief-in an corruption is fact! ...an di tief an samfie artist...the corrupt and even murders sometimes hide in PNP clothes...but, whether the spoilers are inside or outside - Wi nah change course!

Why then dimwit Karl did Mr.Clarke a patriarchal member of one of the 21 families named once say that Omar Davis is the 'greatest finance minister Jamaica has ever known'?

Do you think it was because Omar Davis and by extension the PNP broke up the cartel of which you speak? Of course not you nitwit. It was because Omar Davis and by extension the PNP caused 'the greatest transfer of resources from the poor to the rich ( ah that would be Clarke and his ilk) since slavery was abolished' And they duped weak minded clods like you into allowing them to effect it.

The PNP is on a mission. But it is to decimate the economy and the people of Jamaica.
The per capita income of Jamaicans is barely US$4000 A YEAR you nut.
When compared to those in our region, we are a joke. It never used to be so. Cayman for example used to be a protectorate. Now we need a friggin visa to go there and their per capita gdp is almost 10 times ours. Trinidad and Barbados have left us in the dust. And by the way, a black man can go to the beach in all those countries (Barbados even kicked out Sandals because they didn't want them controlling the beach unlike here where they are allowed to!! so much for your notion of the PNP and the rights of the black man in Jamaica.) and their populations are so highly literate that they have to import unskilled labour from Jamaica.............. where we had Jamal. Karl, you can't be that dumb.

Suh stay deh boast bout nah change course. You are a moron.