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    The Trinity
    BURYING THE DEAD
    The False Gospel according to Paul



    A Trinity denotes a doctrine which encompasses three entities, representing a father figure, a son and a Holy Spirit. The entities have symbolic and practical meaning in the practicing of the Christian gospel, to be delivered and received by faith, symbolic in the way form of unity, practical in that it is achieved and practiced through faith. Christians baptize in the name of the Trinity: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Bill Shankly describes his gospel of governance by declaring “At a football club there is a Holy Trinity - “the players the manager and the supporters”, It is the Liverpool way. Shankly dismisses directors as there to only write cheques.We cannot deny that Bill Shankly is the Father of this trinity, where the other branches fit in, is debatable, but what is undeniable is that it is practiced through faith. Shanklys’ Trinity is lucid.


    • Build an unbeatable team
    • Let supporters forget their troubles
    • Hold each other accountable.


    Nowhere does Shankly state “if you don’t support us when we lose, dont support us when we win” It is a false gospel, it is ambiguous, has no standards, designed by heretics ,directors or fifth columnist to throw the Liverpool way out the door. This quote cannot be found on any bonafide Liverpool website, NONE! This Is Anfield website, located in Liverpool with the most supporters which span the world, has no mention of this quote, as this investigative Journalist concludes there is a problem. “Despite extensive research, there is no evidence Shankly ever said it” (Bascombe, 2011). It was found on social media, it is therefore a new gospel to promote a false doctrine, via social media “a quote attributed to the founding father of the modern Anfield, his image emblazoned on a montage on the club’s official Facebook page”. That said my recent search on Facebook has found it to be removed and it cannot be found on the LFC official fan website linked to the clubs website. Also of importance is this false gospel isn’t found on Bill Shanklys’ website. Most damming this false gospel has been attributed to our most hated adversary Sir Alex Ferguson on a Manchester united fan twitter account. It begs the question if the same person or groups attributing this quote to Shankly are linked to the Man U twitter account , are they indeed Man U supporters ?


    The Father- Shankly


    Shankly describes true fan support as “More than fanaticism, it’s a religion. To the many thousands who come here to worship, Anfield isn’t a football ground, it’s a sort of shrine” not merely fans he says but “members of one extended family” all this embodied in the gospel of the Trinity.

    Shankly goes on to list to clearly state the gospel of Liverpool way, the objectives are.

    * I want to build a team that’s invincible, so that they have to send a team from bloody Mars to beat us! (Bill Shankly)
    * everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It's the way I see football, the way I see life(Bill Shankly)

    * I was only in the game for the love of football - and I wanted to bring back happiness to the people of Liverpool.' (Bill Shankly)


    The Sons- The Managers and Players

    * Our job is to make the fans happy. When we win, 45,000 people go home happy. When we lose, it not only affects them, it affects their cats." Gerard Houllier
    * Players have responsibilities, because, whether they like it or not, they are public figures. They have to be aware that the people who come to the ground spend fortunes in relation to what they earn." Gerard Houllier
    * It was about my staff, the players, our families behind us, the people in Melwood and Anfield, the chairman, the CEO and the directors that gave us support every day, and the fans who were there for us every single minute.( Benitez) On winning the Champions League
    * “It’s our job to make them forget their problems for 90 minutes” Klopp

    * “I try to be as close as possible to the fans. “Klopp


    The Holy Ghost- Supporters


    • To represent the best interests of our members and by extension the best interests of the supporters of Liverpool Football Club on both the local and international level.
    • To hold whoever owns the football club to account. (Spirit of Shankly )
    • David Moores LFC previous owner states that the supporters are the foundation for success at LFC, he states after sacking Graeme Souness the first LFC manager to be sacked in 40 years. “ the decision to sack Souness was made because the results have been well below what is expected by the club and its supporters”
    • “We just want to bring more trophies to the club for these amazing fans. They are the best. We have got just the right man to do that in Rafa." LFC Chairman David Moores.
    • Ian Ayre reinforced it after sacking Brendan Rodgers Ayre admits Liverpool would be foolish to ignore the mood of supporters on social media, and hinted supporter unrest may have precipitated the downfall of Brendan Rodgers as Reds boss. “When there’s a consistent and common message, either good or bad, then that’s a good indicator,”



    The False Gospel According to Paul



    It is written in the Lords book “ if an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed” .It must be concluded, that those who uttered Paul Marin false gospel are cursed, heretics. Paul Marin attributes this to Father Shankly,Peter his sidekick supports this, he says “for sure he agrees with it ” he reinforces his point by saying it’s based on Paul’s Liverpool way and those who don’t know of it are ignorant of the Liverpool way”. So I confess I am guilty and if I am guilty so is Shankly, so are the Sons- Houllier, Benitez and Klopp so are the Holy Ghosts- The supporters. This gospel has no foundation in the Trinity, as David Moores says the supporters are the foundation for success, managers are hired with supporters expectations, Ayre says it would be foolish not to consider their thoughts and feelings when he acknowledges our moods. Any gospel without a foundation or born into ambiguity is designed to create failure by unrest. This gospels lacks mention of playing for supporters to forget their problems, winning trophies for fans (ambition). No mention of building a team that would require one from mars to beat us. To follow this gospel logic- thirty eight games are played in the season if we win one game for the season ,support should be given regardless of not meeting Trinity standards.


    The Proof-Living In Sin


    The proof comes from the horse’s mouth Paul says Rockman - support for any manager is support for the owners while they are in the club; but not after they get sacked. Isnt that ambiguity wrapped in mediocrity. Promoted by his manager Brendan Rodgers who states he has “never been told to deliver top 4”, then you have supporters of the false gospel, that pat each other on the back “Big up yourself Paul. Them expect a manager to come in and replace a legend” Johnny declares, others join in who have no regard for the clubs history or religion Mo states “What Brendan Rodgers does I am in agreeance”.The ultimate proof that their gospel is a false religion is made when Peter the defender of Paul’s Liverpool way consults with H.L an obeah man that declares Brendan Rodgers is a “good coach” but in need of a crystal ball to determine results concerning Liverpool. HL states “you should have simply asked me to borrow Miss Crystal she knew the results from last week” BLASPHEMY! To reinforce the heretics gospel Paul boldly proclaims “As I said, I have no issue with FSG doing what they choose to do, it's their club...and their criteria with him is unknown to me” No ambiguity here, he asserts he isn’t one with the Trinity, Shankly states the directors’ responsibility. Worse yet he declares he is unaware of a criteria for Brendan Rodgers, in total contradiction of the Trinity, at best at war with it. As a so-called fan of the club from 1971, Paul should have known that Bill Shankly walked away from four managerial jobs before coming to Liverpool, because they would not accept his Trinity.


    * Carlisle- accused directors of reneging on player bonuses
    * Grimsby- No money to buy new players-(Rafasique)
    * Workington- Pitch destroyed by rugby players, directors more concerned with the rugby team to the point of drafting them in the football team
    * Huddersfield-Board wanted to sell his best players- (Rafasique)


    Heretics on Fire


    Promotion of this heretical doctrine is done by soundbites designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator to divide, if you follow this gospel to its rational logical conclusion it falls off a cliff .This is done by screaming and denigrating those that challenge it, infantile childish bravado of one upmanship, e.g. Since “1971, i have been a LFC -for-life- fan, never declaring for any other” support is measured by years of service ,instead of good deeds by service. Ambiguous decalarations,moving goal post ,foggy statements, statements of pontification, semantics of nonsense ,contradictions ,oxymoronic diarrhea ,degernative irrational conclusions. They come as a legion that are continually casted out into swines’, their gospel is a house divided, They come from or align with different houses e.g Man City, Aston Villa, Arsenal,Man U etc. preaching this narrative. The truth becomes an offence when pointed out, it is spun by accusations of lack of comprehension or patriotism on the part of any seeking clarification for the ambiguity or in some cases outright lies, hall marks of any true heretic. Make no mistake about it, they will claim any manager as their own, any position of success as theirs, after all how else could these wolf in sheep clothing burrow in amongst the faithful with the only ambition to destabilize the trinity .But never forget their goals are

    • No ambition
    • No lucid vision
    • No goals
    • No unity
    • No accountability
    • No Joy by the true fans to forget their troubles


    The Trinity Lives Through Revelation


    The trinity can only survive if the truth prevails or is revealed, so lets examine the quote and find its truth, if any? “If you don't support us when we lose don't support us when we win”,

    Strike 1 *- Where was this quote taken from and who presented it on the RBYSC site: Paul Marin from source unknown, attributed to Shankly and Sir Alex
    Strike 2 * Quote is to support what? Is it a football game, a netball game, a political argument, a gamblers bet
    Strike 3 * Win what, is it any of the above, or something other than? Or is it (a) game instead of the majority required to win a title/trophy or championship.

    Three strikes you are out, it’s ambiguous, without foundation, no truth. Where does it state the Trinitys’ ambition of a team coming from mars to beat us, playing for supporters to forget their troubles, most of all supporters holding owners accountable? Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. Well I say, who that transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of the Trinity, hath not Shankly. This Trinity is the gospel according to Shankly, preached by the disciples, Paisley, Daglish, Houlllier, Benitez and Klopp, achieved and believed by true supporters through faith, I am a believer of the gospel are you.


    References:


    BibleGateway (.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages.)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/

    "Bill Shankly in Quotes." Liverpool FC. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 Dec. 2015. http://liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-n...nkly-in-quotes


    "Liverpool's Visit to Chelsea Would Be a Good Time for Under-fire Striker Andy Carroll to Start Proving His worth." The Telegraph. Telegraph Media Group, n.d. Web. 12 Dec. 2015.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...his-worth.html

    Classic Quotes "Http://www.thisisanfield.com/clubinfo/classicquotes/." Classic Quotes. N.p., n.d.
    Last edited by Sir X; December 13, 2015, 03:06 PM.
    THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

    "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


    "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

  • #2
    Dead and burried: Merry X mas
    THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

    "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


    "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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    • #3
      You covered a lot of topics! But where do you address... wagonism?? :idontnow:

      Nice essay...C- wheel an come again!!

      Mi did tink you was a come wid someting revolutionary! Stupid me! LOL
      Peter R

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      • #4
        I am surprised it got a C-,given the truth I revealed.


        It is written in the Lords book “ if an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed” .It must be concluded, that those who uttered Paul Marin false gospel are cursed, heretics. Paul Marin attributes this to Father Shankly,Peter his sidekick supports this, he says “for sure he agrees with it ” he reinforces his point by saying it’s based on Paul’s Liverpool way and those who don’t know of it are ignorant of the Liverpool way”
        THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

        "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


        "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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        • #5
          So WHAT ABOUT WAGONISTS????? Dem get a bly from you so-called burial??

          You looking for a re-evaluation? C- is a generous mark... don' worry... when I get some time mi wi gi yu de markin' scheme!
          Peter R

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          • #6
            Thats the best you can do ?

            I forgot this reference, is this your and Paul website ?

            https://twitter.com/manutdupdates_/s...25968122068992


            Jangle warned you ,repent,sing yuh sankey.I did too,hate is my reward for showing you love.I told you listen to your parents about deciding on the friends you keep.
            THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

            "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


            "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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            • #7
              So you cannot answer the question?? Nothing has changed!

              You have tried to discredit the quote that is attributed to Shankly about losing and not supporting etc. .. why? to justify your wagonism.

              And it is NOT conclusive as you have made it out to be that he did NOT say those words.

              At the end of the day he would never have welcomed you back into LFC, regardless of whether he did or did not say those words.

              Your essay was a waste of my five minutes anyway! Sorry, C- is generous!
              Peter R

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              • #8
                LOL!!!! You took a long time to write a treatise on revisionist history. Your premise (as I understand it) is that the "Trinity" of (Manager, Players and Supporters) is not beholding to the Shankly quote: "If you don't support us when we win, lose, or draw, don't support us when we win".

                You quote "Bascomb, November 2011". Who is "Bascomb"? What are is credentials, and, just because there (maybe) no evidence he said it, doesn't mean he didn't say it nor does it mean that it doesn't reflect the essence of the man in the eyes of the supporters. So the point is, the sentiment is one that TRUE fans agree with and understand. The fact that you are challenging it SHOWS that you are OKAY with NOT SUPPORTING the team when we LOSE. That my friend is sunshinerism, which is NOT part of the Liverpool Way.

                I have not had the chance nor the time to rubbish the rest of your post as I suspect you've done that all on your own. Now that said, how does you going to City work it's way into the Liverpool Way? Please explain how that maneuver is reflected in your rendition of our sacred club's doctrine.

                Tenk u!
                "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

                X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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                • #9
                  Tried to discredit ,I dont have to justify anything you do ,where did you get this quote from ,why isnt it on Shanks website

                  Bill Shankly in Quotes." Liverpool FC. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 Dec. 2015. http://liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-n...nkly-in-quotes


                  http://www.shankly.com/Article/2517


                  Now yuh tun fool and a laugh ,I dont have to justify my loyalty to LFC ,you do,I believed in the Trinity.Hodgson was a fraud I called it,BR was a fraud I called it.You and Paul are frauds I called it.

                  I stated

                  I have officially seperated from liverpool,not divorced! She doesnt fancy dressing up in trophies any more,I have been seduced by Man City with all her money and her I think 2nd trophy.I caaaan cross it to Man U or Arsenal ,not that I cant I refuse to.

                  If my lady doesnt get her act together soon ,I will be divorcing her,she has 5 years,the way how I see it ,there will be an exodous by christmas of Players ,Agger & Skertel wont be around next season.Suarez the season after that.I sight di rake ,these yanks are in for the money and they intentionally hired a claffy that they can manipulate.

                  I wont comment of my wife(pool) out of pure respect from now on,Its all about respect.


                  Well 5 years didnt come yet ,and you and Paul lied to keep my wife in mediocrity with your false gospel,thank god she found the true religion again,redemption and forgiveness is all in the Trinity.I have forgiven her and she has forgiven me,wi happy,suh gwaaan wid yuh jealous self.

                  LIAD !
                  THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                  "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                  "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                  • #10
                    Preach Claffy .

                    just because there (maybe) no evidence he said it, doesn't mean he didn't say it


                    nor does it mean that it doesn't reflect the essence of the man in the eyes of the supporters. So the point is, the sentiment is one that TRUE fans agree with and understand


                    So your 10 % overides the 90 % who suffered under your manager B.R in mediocrity,LIAD ?
                    THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                    "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                    "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by X View Post
                      Preach Claffy .

                      just because there (maybe) no evidence he said it, doesn't mean he didn't say it


                      nor does it mean that it doesn't reflect the essence of the man in the eyes of the supporters. So the point is, the sentiment is one that TRUE fans agree with and understand


                      So your 10 % overides the 90 % who suffered under your manager B.R in mediocrity,LIAD ?
                      The 90% - did they run to City? The fact of the matter is that most people believe that quote was genuine, and no one argues against its essence. So prove that it wasn't and prove that it's essence is anti-Liverpool Way, and you can go from there.

                      Anyway genius - if you're going to try to get the universe to give you comfort over your defection, you've a) chosen the wrong premise to justify your actions and b) made a poor attempt at tearing down a real fan (me). If Courtney was here, you woulda get you raht tear out. Anyway, you are clearly not an academic, so your fruitless attempt at putting forth an academic argument (while admirable) falls way short of proving anything. Secondly, your refusal to answer the simple question of how this treatise supports your defection to City, proves that you have fallen way short. Nice try, but once again, you've succeeded int doing nothing more than highlighting the absurdity of your logic and the unforgivable, divisive and treasonous nature of your wagonistic and sunshiner actions.

                      Maybe if you give a lucid and credible answer to the question of how your (flawed) treatise supports your defection AND the Liverpool Way, then may there is hope...but until then...it was nothing but a colossal waste of your time. Sorry.
                      "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

                      X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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                      • #12
                        * Whey yuh get yuh quote from ?
                        * Who yuh attribute it to ?
                        *Why ?
                        * When ?
                        *Where ?

                        YUH A LIADDDDDDDDDDD and a FRAUDDDDDDDDDD from 1971 !
                        THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                        "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                        "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                        • #13
                          Whether he said it or not is a point of fact. However, it would appear that there is NO CONCLUSIVE evidence that he DID or DID NOT say it. Be that as it may, if you read the quotes that are attributed to him on the site you linked, yuh done know seh de man wouda kick yuh inna yuh backside and disown yuh as a LFC supporter for wagonism.

                          Discrediting the quote seems like a lame attempt to justify (your) wagonism. The essence of that quote permeates every other quote that is attributed to him.
                          Peter R

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                          • #14
                            So how would he treat B.R and you two ?

                            You dont support the supporters ,you support the owners at the expense of the supporters ambition.You supported two midtable coaches ?

                            I think Shankly would be pleased with me for pointing out LIADS,FRAUDS,HERETICS against the trinity.He might have said aye X , I walked from 4 clubs too,so I cant blame you when people dont know the TRINITY.

                            Its all speculation of course,like your conclusion but as you said judging by his history,he is with me and the 90 %
                            THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                            "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                            "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by X View Post
                              So how would he treat B.R and you two ?

                              You dont support the supporters ,you support the owners at the expense of the supporters ambition.You supported two midtable coaches ?

                              I think Shankly would be pleased with me for pointing out LIADS,FRAUDS,HERETICS against the trinity.He might have said aye X , I walked from 4 clubs too,so I cant blame you when people dont know the TRINITY.

                              Its all speculation of course,like your conclusion but as you said judging by his history,he is with me and the 90 %
                              Did 90% run guh a City???

                              What I could tell you with surety is that if he had to choose between me and you, it would be a no-brainer.... wagonists NOT ALLOWED!
                              Peter R

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