Islandman , mi know mi can reason

[Lazie]

Ohhhh, now me understand!!

The figures don't lie EXCEPT.....

if you are talking about anywhere in the world except Jamaica,

OR

any period in time except 1962-present.

Once you stay in that miniscule part of space and time, the figures work PERFECTLY and should be used EXCLUSIVELY to determine success. But any other place and time, well maybe not so much.

Come Lazie, me know you can do betta than that.

We're obviously talking about an independent Jamaica I-man. From last week mi notice ppl a try confuse the issue making reference to pre independent Jamaica.

AGAIN ... under Shearer we experienced double digit growth. Disprove that nuh?

[Lazie]

you still don't get it? You must be pretending;I
pray that you are only pretending.

Jawge, you realize I don't take you serious on Jamaican issues anymore? The man that twice got a growing economy and fock it up you idolize then wonder if I'm pretending? Joke ting.

[Islandman]

Ohhhh, now me understand!!

The figures don't lie EXCEPT.....

if you are talking about anywhere in the world except Jamaica,

OR

any period in time except 1962-present.

Once you stay in that miniscule part of space and time, the figures work PERFECTLY and should be used EXCLUSIVELY to determine success. But any other place and time, well maybe not so much.

Come Lazie, me know you can do betta than that.

[Muadib]

Why would the island remain '55% Illiterate'..?

The rest of the region did not.

Was Jamaica an anomaly at the time in regards to popluation literacy ??

[Jawge]

you still don't get it? You must be pretending;I
pray that you are only pretending.

[Lazie]

The FACT also is that in the 1820s we had zero unemployment and very low crime. Sugar was king and earning lots of money.

It must have been a great time and place, with great leaders in charge. The numbers don't lie!

Reaching now? We're talking about an Independent Jamaica. But play hopscotch.

[Jawge]

yeah continue in your sleep.

[Jawge]

Boss it's high time you stop this nonsense;
it's getting ridiculous now. Your own party people are telling you that the stats don't tell the real story and you continue with the nonsense.

If one should follow your logic: The island should have remained 55% illiterate and our figures would still be in double digits. Boss there is a time for everything. Cease the nonsense and be objective.

[Jawge]

Yes boss, I said the same of Joshua
too. We are still without certain knowledge: the knowledge to avoid regional powers and still be able to trade with them. It's amazing that with all the facts on this site, most still cannot put the jigzaw together. Ja should be a thriving nation free of crime and poverty but we tend to make the same mistake over and over again.

Ja's anthem says: "give us wisdom lest, we perish"; we need that wisdom
and knowledge. Ja's main mistake was to use their social network or brotherhood to get in the drug trade (this in term gave a few wealth and degraded the island). If we had used it to pursue knowledge; our island would be at peace and prosperity. We like short term instead of long term.
Norman et al were fooled into the illusion of independence; you guys must research and dig,then the TRUTH will jump out at you. Ja was guided into
"independence" for a reason. Ja still thinks if you are a Rhodes Scholar you have all the answers. Did you guys know that Brasil and Chile's economic turnaround came from MIT? Trust me and dig.

It's now up to the young to redirect the island to peace and prosperity.

[Islandman]

The FACT also is that in the 1820s we had zero unemployment and very low crime. Sugar was king and earning lots of money.

It must have been a great time and place, with great leaders in charge. The numbers don't lie!

[Lazie]

I have relatives who adored Manley, and some who are labourties for life. I have never heard a kind word from the labourities about Shearer, and most of dem say he was a poor leader who could not manage fi run the country and so had to step aside fi Seaga.

Most Jamaicans never know good leadership if it hit them in their face. Shearer had our economy growing, Manley wreaked the economy ... yet he is the one that is adored?

[Lazie]

Well, thats basically what i was trying to explain to Lazie, there were a lot of problems that did not show in the figures.

My older relatives used to tell me about how you unless you were light skinned foget about getting even an entry level bank job in those days. Not that I am not blaming Shearer for any of that, it existed before him.

When I saw this article the other day by John Rapley about Peru, it shows that this kind of situation is not that uncommon:

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/glean...cleisure2.html


This environment is what allowed Michael Manley to capture the imagination of the people in a way that Jamaica has not seen before or since. If only he had not got himself surrounded by the far left extremists, things may have been different.

Every administration encountered and will encounter problems. The FACT is under Shearer we had double digit growth, something yet to be repeated. People can continue with their mythical stance ... the numbers don't lie.

The numbers also show that under Manley our economy depreciated by 25%.

[Willi]

We Had No Ringcraft.

[Willi]

Norman Manleys development work in the 1950s was more of a factor.

[Muadib]

Ah whofa fault dat ?