Dem nuh ready fi Drivah !

[MissLondon]

Tivoli isnt the heart of the JLP , it is more symbolism more than anything else , i agree with her , Eddie was Tivoli , since he went that has been it for T.G.

It is my belief that Bruce made an error representing T.G , he could have been P.M without T.G , only one man can run that Garrison oopps one M.P and that is Seaga, im buill it , im can tear it down.

Thank you, to imply that he would risk potentially losing support in the how many other constituency in Jamaica to maintain support in just one consituency is ridiculous.

There are other factors behind this.

[Muadib]

But wait.. dem nuh seh dem preparing a better one to submit ?

Why is everyone acting like is the fuss time dis happen ????

Have you read the PM presentation ??? Or yuh prefer the endless speculation ?

[Islandman]

Its not even a constituency , believe it or not. It's "just" a community within a constituency.

But its basically a republic unto itself, kind of like Sadr City in Bagdhad run by that cleric named Sadr and his father before him.

[Karl]

so are we dun with the US request then.. we finally all agree they need to wheel and come again ?

No!

Likle Brucie needs to wheel and come again!

[Sir X]

Tivoli isnt the heart of the JLP , it is more symbolism more than anything else , i agree with her , Eddie was Tivoli , since he went that has been it for T.G.

It is my belief that Bruce made an error representing T.G , he could have been P.M without T.G , only one man can run that Garrison oopps one M.P and that is Seaga, im buill it , im can tear it down.

[Sir X]

Yes Ben I get you , if only they think like us , The Great Eagle invaders and conquers of many Great nations , The breaker of many Indian & latin american treaties,will honor the one it has with Jamaica because we are so self righteous , and militarily powerfull backed with the chinese dollars.

Futhermore Jamaica with the Great prophet Bruce will terminate this treaty and write up a new one with a JLP letter head proclaiming the new era of Dudussism.The Great Eagle will abide by it out of fear !

Why dont they see it like us ?

[Muadib]

All this speculation is fun !

It somewhat ignores the fact that the US has acted outside the boundaries of the Treaty..

A small matter in some minds.. those that do not understand the power of precedent..

lol !

[Sir X]

Give him reality Ben ...The Chinese Utopia !

They will come from the far east with thier trillions and set up a chiney shop in Jamaica on the door steps of the Great Eagle , all will prosper , roads , piers and industries will flourish and Dudussism will spread far and wide to every corner of the Island and all will be happy , if only the Great Eagle flys away.

[Don1]

Tivoli is one consituency is it not? Out of how many in Jamaica? Im not buying that explanation at all. What is the likelihood of Tivoli switching to the PNP? None really.

Its either because he knows what the back lash would be and that the state could not contain it or, like some else said, that either he or others in the government can be directly implicated in any charges. This is way more than just solidifying the support in one consituency (however "powerful" that constituency may be).

I ask again...how much time have you spent in Jamaica?

[MissLondon]

naive or disingenuous.

he doesn't want to sign because he will lose support in Tivoli and may not even be able to freely enter that republic. The gunmen of Tivoli are his power base within the JLP.

Whoever controls Tivoli...controls the JLP... he cannot afford to lose that.

Tivoli is one consituency is it not? Out of how many in Jamaica? Im not buying that explanation at all. What is the likelihood of Tivoli switching to the PNP? None really.

Its either because he knows what the back lash would be and that the state could not contain it or, like some else said, that either he or others in the government can be directly implicated in any charges. This is way more than just solidifying the support in one consituency (however "powerful" that constituency may be).

[Muadib]

so are we dun with the US request then.. we finally all agree they need to wheel and come again ?

[Muadib]

That is one way to spin it...

[Karl]

Gamma: Can help me here...as I have a problem with how Bruce and his cohorts frame their argument -

If irrefutable facts are presented that a crime was committed but those facts were not collected illegally (Likle Bruce agrees with that) but the facts were used or presented in an illegal manner/outside law governing same, can the State not still prosecute?

In fact, has the State not even as per the wire-tap referenced...in similar circumstances gone on to prosecute?

[Lazie]

Lazie, what you are suggesting does not wash!
The wiretap evidence is merely one piece of the evidence!

Thats why they're asking for more evidence because (according to them) the wiretap was obtained illegally.

[Karl]

MissLondon, ever since I asked a question, I've been accused of defending criminality. However, I will ask it again, what if they are actually correct about the evidence being illegal? None of the experts here has considered that. The former AG was being interviewed and when the argument about the evidence was brought to his attention his get out of jail line was take it to the courts.

However, when there was a previous standoff with the US gov't and the previous admin, how was it handled?

Lazie, what you are suggesting does not wash!
The wiretap evidence is merely one piece of the evidence!